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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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hard differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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good evening Fade to Black I am your

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host Jimmy church today is Tuesday

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Tuesday January 24th 2023 and our guest

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tonight is Debbie Cobble and Debbie uh

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has been on with us many times and most

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of us know uh maybe some of you don't

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that she was the subject of Bud Hopkins

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book Intruders and tonight we're going

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to talk about a lot of things Debbie and

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I are just going to keep the

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conversation open but um I've titled the

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show life after Intruders which is a

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book that she and her sister wrote

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called abducted and uh you know contact

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life uh Beyond Intruders and we'll touch

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upon all of that tonight and and so much

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more there might be some ghost talk

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tonight if I can if I can talk Debbie

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into it and I would like to welcome come

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back to fade to black the one the only

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Debbie Cobble there she is how you doing

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young lady all right thanks for having

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me uh it don't seem so excited Deb

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ah yay yeah you know all the great

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conversations we have on the phone you

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know yay team and then you know and now

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the show starts you're like yeah okay

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all right

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oh what's going on church so uh welcome

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back and uh how are the holidays for you

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and the family

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um they were really good it was quiet

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and uh we had a big storm that came

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through Indiana you probably knew about

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it um I did kind of messed up our plans

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about going to uh hang out with the

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granddaughter we had to kind of delay it

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for a few days but we finally got there

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I told you I was excited we bought her a

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her first uh Fender Strat for Christmas

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and I was dying to give it to her so

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that rocks I saw your post about it and

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uh we talked about it earlier but uh

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that is just man a strat for Christmas I

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don't care that's it that's that's that

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might be better than a BB gun you know

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very happy well she's only 16. right

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right could have got her a car I guess

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that would have made her happy too but

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now I'll let her dad do that

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um one of my friends

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um you're you're no longer an

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Indianapolis proper uh you're you're

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North but

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um a friend of mine uh uh posted today

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from our you and I our old neighborhood

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and she goes ah just a gray and dreary

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day again here in Indy I can't wait to

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get down to Florida in a couple of weeks

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so that was my you know I I get the

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latest update

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you know from the weather from all of my

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friends there and you know one of the

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things that you know people like to do I

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can't speak for the rest of the country

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but Indianapolis for sure

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Florida is the spot for us isn't it

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right

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getting out getting out of Indy in the

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winter and and heading down to Florida

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for a couple of weeks and coming back

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have you ever done that oh yeah I mean

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when I was a kid growing up from

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probably 1971 I think it was because I

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think that's the year Disney World down

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there opened in Orlando right and my dad

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my dad was an electrician he worked at

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Ford but he also had his own electrical

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contracting company so he actually

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hauled the whole family down there that

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first year

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he was looking for a job he was looking

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to get a job down there as an

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electrician they were still building

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part of the parks and so uh it ended up

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we ended up going like every year for

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multiple years then down to Indian Rocks

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Beach for probably eight or nine years

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right and uh you know and then of course

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then when I back in the early 90s it was

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Pensacola Beach and Gulf Breeze so yeah

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I've been down to Florida many many

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think about you and and you're I'm just

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gonna say case right you're you're

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thinking yeah

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um uh I I just keep thinking about and

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the audience needs to know uh exactly

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what I'm about to say and what we are

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talking about when we say our

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neighborhood

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um I grew up along with Debbie on the

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east side of Indianapolis

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and there's a broad if you draw a circle

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around the east side of Indianapolis

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where the four uh 65 and the 70 cross

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you have Indianapolis on one side you

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have Cumberland on the other and in the

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middle of all of that is Warren Township

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and and that's our Hood right the same

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height same Junior highs and everything

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that's our name that's our neighborhood

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and and Deb and I went to the same High

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School Warren Central High School But

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but so in saying that

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um you know in the interest of

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transparency when I think about your

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case

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and I think about my first apartment in

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Irvington which was just a a few blocks

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from where uh everything uh happened

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with you and and I was there it just

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blows my mind about that neighborhood

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and you and and everything that

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transpired there it's just mind-blowing

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this this kind of connection that I have

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to that and you and I having uh if we

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have mutual friends right if we just I'm

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sure we probably ran around the same

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places too yeah yeah yeah you might have

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even cut your hair at both Rick's their

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own midhoffer yeah oh well are you

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serious yeah I used to that's where I

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first worked when I first got my beauty

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license back in 85. really

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um that that that stretch of of

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midhoffer if you go from 10th to like

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right you know what I'm saying that

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stretch

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that I I owned

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I owned it I owned it right there and

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21st in Mitthoeffer man man man all

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see we could do this all night long but

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that's yeah and nobody would understand

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it but we we'd have a ball though

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it's so funny because 21st to

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Mitthoeffer you had United gas you had

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that hooks drugs you had that bar over

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in the corner the 7-Eleven next door

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Domino's right I mean that this is our

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hood and Deb's going yeah exactly yeah

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yeah that's the spot I I don't exactly

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remember all those places but I'm a few

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years older than you it's like my brains

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probably go yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

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um uh but

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um reflecting back on all of that and

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and then I want to also talk about uh

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how you reached out to Bud Hopkins which

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you did uh in a fully analog old school

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way you wrote a letter right you put in

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the paper

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um that evening when everything started

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um and uh that evening which I I want to

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briefly go through so everybody has a

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foundation of of your story

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that evening had just about everything

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involved with it right flying saucers

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alien contact E.T missing time uh uh

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physical health injuries uh your

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family's involved uh witness everything

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that could have happened the mark in the

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yard yeah that that's what I'm saying

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physical trace evidence everything was

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there but when you woke up that morning

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before everything kicked off did that

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day seem different to you

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I I don't remember that it was I don't

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recall thinking that it was

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it was just another day

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you know I don't no I don't think I woke

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up thinking that it was any different

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today

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was there

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um prior to that I know that with your

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sister there's a possibility but was

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there

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know yeah UFO was oh yeah yeah

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um I had had uh something happened to me

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you know in my obviously in my older

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sister had that experience in 65 and

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told all the family about it and so I'd

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been exposed to it when I was young

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because she's 11 years older than me

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and uh when I was

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and or moved out on my own uh with my

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husband and I was only just turned 18.

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um

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I had a experience which I called a

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dream I called a dream but it wasn't a

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dream I kept telling everybody it wasn't

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a dream I told my husband it wasn't and

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called my mother the next morning to

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tell her about what happened and she

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even I remember her telling Bud thou

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animated I was when I was telling her

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that you know this was adamantly not a

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dream with these two uh gray beings with

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the big black eyes came in my room and

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they had a black Black Box in their hand

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and uh when I first saw them I was Panic

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stricken you know and I and I

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my I can remember my immediate first

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thought was oh my God don't just don't

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come any closer to me please don't touch

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me

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um

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and then all of a sudden I was calm

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it's calm enough to sit up and somehow

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the Box ended up in my hand and I asked

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him what it was for and could I keep it

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and they said no and they basically

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didn't tell me what it was for but they

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did tell me if I saw it again I'd know

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what it was and how to use it

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and then they went away and

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I I could move and I tried to wake my

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husband up who was laying riding bed

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next to me and he wouldn't wake up and

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so I just went I fell asleep which makes

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no sense but that's that's what I did so

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I mean I and so I had this memory

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you know of seeing this this alien head

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this gray with the

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you know big black eyes that was in 78

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and um

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we'd had all kinds of strange things

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happen in my house

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not just the house out on Irvington but

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also when we lived on the closer to East

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around Michigan Street and post and

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Franklin and that's where I was born uh

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in that house

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um we had like Paranormal stuff happen

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like ghostly things and I remember my

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mom and my older sister talking about

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uh stuff like that and seeing things and

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just assuming that that was just normal

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you know I mean it was just part of life

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so it wasn't you know I didn't get up

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that morning in June uh in 83

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and think this is going to be a weird

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night with aliens and whatever I I was a

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single mom

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that had just gotten divorced I was you

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know like 22 years old

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and had just moved back home with my

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parents and

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um so

285
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I was probably in my mind when I got up

286
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that morning okay what am I going to do

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take care of the kids you know and and

288
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whatnot like that and I house the house

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um uh Poston Franklin run parallel what

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was the cross street

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um well it was like wasn't it like 16th

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Street no I was born and raised on East

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Michigan Street and it backed up dead

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ended at 465 and then 10th Street was on

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one side right and then and then uh

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Washington was on the other and Franklin

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ran uh in front of it I used to walk

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walk down Michigan uh to uh Franklin

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Road to catch the school bus every

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morning right and and again for

301
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everybody this is hard this is absolute

302
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East Side East Side absolutely and um

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you know Washington Square Mall you know

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right there oh yeah so

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um and back then

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um and it's changed a lot today but back

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then it was it was was it was pretty

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rural you know it was cornfields you

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know now it's all built up in in

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subdivisions uh but back then it was it

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was a it was it was it was Farmland

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that's that's the way that I I can't

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believe when I drive through it now I

314
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was like wait a minute mini bikes

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through here and and and today it's just

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all subdivisions

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um almost all the way to Greenfield

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really I mean it's all built out now I

319
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haven't been that far back you know

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since then but I know that back when I

321
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was a teenager uh and we used to go

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skating out on Pendleton Pike uh on a

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Saturday night and my girlfriend and I

324
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and another gal were out driving around

325
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out there you know in German Church an

326
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area out in there because her boyfriend

327
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that we were like spying on her

328
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boyfriend to make sure he was where he

329
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said he was supposed to be I think I was

330
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like

331
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know we were in the it was corn fields

332
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and nothing for Miles you know out there

333
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where we were driving around and you

334
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lived in this old farmhouse and now the

335
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last time I was there it that's all

336
00:15:07,329 --> 00:15:04,620
subdivisions and and it just blows my

337
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mind how things change yeah

338
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German Church Road

339
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um it was kind of used to be midhoff or

340
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Jim German church is the next street uh

341
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heading east and

342
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um I lived in between uh Mitthoeffer and

343
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German Church Road right on on 25th

344
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Street and German church was like the

345
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end of to all of us I had a boyfriend

346
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that lived right about there his last

347
00:15:38,590 --> 00:15:34,639
name was ham do you recognize that

348
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we could do that all night

349
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but German Church Road and East that was

350
00:15:48,410 --> 00:15:44,519
the dividing line of like Indianapolis

351
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behind you and in front of you was corn

352
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fields all the way to Ohio right it was

353
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:53,760
like that I mean it was just

354
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um and it's it's not like that anymore

355
00:16:02,150 --> 00:15:58,440
it's uh it's all completely built out

356
00:16:04,370 --> 00:16:02,160
yeah so now where where June 30th 1983

357
00:16:05,750 --> 00:16:04,380
happened in near Irvington outer

358
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Irvington

359
00:16:09,230 --> 00:16:07,680
um we were still only

360
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10 minutes from downtown Indianapolis

361
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and even at 40 years ago which I cannot

362
00:16:19,850 --> 00:16:15,139
believe that it's been almost 40 years

363
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:19,860
40 years ago Indianapolis still had a

364
00:16:24,889 --> 00:16:23,279
huge population so I mean it was a

365
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really populated area where this

366
00:16:28,730 --> 00:16:25,740
happened

367
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:28,740
yeah um and I lived right there uh

368
00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:32,639
Irvington is a very small little uh it's

369
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:35,160
what 10 blocks by 10 blocks or something

370
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:37,440
it's a very small part but it's an older

371
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:40,320
part of Indianapolis great place and

372
00:16:45,949 --> 00:16:43,680
yeah that's at my first apartment and so

373
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:45,959
I've looked at everything on a map

374
00:16:51,949 --> 00:16:50,160
and from my old apartment over to where

375
00:16:56,210 --> 00:16:51,959
your house was it was just a couple

376
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blocks away and I probably could have

377
00:16:59,870 --> 00:16:57,959
seen it happen if I was looking out my

378
00:17:02,930 --> 00:16:59,880
back window

379
00:17:07,010 --> 00:17:02,940
um and this area uh because of where it

380
00:17:10,010 --> 00:17:07,020
is on on the east side is populated you

381
00:17:13,069 --> 00:17:10,020
know and it's it's not this isn't the

382
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:13,079
country aspect uh that we're referring

383
00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:14,400
to now when we're talking about

384
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Indianapolis and that craft came down

385
00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:20,939
and landed in in your backyard that's

386
00:17:26,449 --> 00:17:23,160
that's absolutely incredible did any

387
00:17:28,189 --> 00:17:26,459
neighbors or did anybody uh step out and

388
00:17:29,330 --> 00:17:28,199
say what was going on in your backyard

389
00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:29,340
last night

390
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:31,799
Well the lady that lived directly north

391
00:17:38,510 --> 00:17:35,280
of us on the north side of the house

392
00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:38,520
um we found out a little bit later that

393
00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:41,640
night she had seen a red bright red

394
00:17:46,850 --> 00:17:44,940
Flash and heard her loud noise and like

395
00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:46,860
she said her whole house shook her TV

396
00:17:51,049 --> 00:17:48,120
turned red

397
00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:51,059
and she got real paranoid her she her

398
00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:54,059
husband told Bud when bud you know

399
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:55,860
because when he did the investigation

400
00:17:59,930 --> 00:17:57,840
the first time he came he was knocking

401
00:18:02,330 --> 00:17:59,940
on doors you know talk trying to talk to

402
00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:02,340
neighbors and stuff and and the guy next

403
00:18:07,789 --> 00:18:05,640
door told him that when he got home from

404
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:07,799
work that night his wife was so upset by

405
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:12,000
the uh the sound of something that had

406
00:18:16,130 --> 00:18:14,640
this loud sound and the red Flash and

407
00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:16,140
she thought somebody was going to cut

408
00:18:19,730 --> 00:18:17,700
was trying to get in her house and get

409
00:18:20,990 --> 00:18:19,740
her and she was like hiding behind a

410
00:18:21,770 --> 00:18:21,000
couch or something when he got home from

411
00:18:24,169 --> 00:18:21,780
work

412
00:18:25,250 --> 00:18:24,179
and then the lady across directly across

413
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:25,260
the street

414
00:18:30,529 --> 00:18:29,039
from the house which would be on the

415
00:18:32,350 --> 00:18:30,539
West

416
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:32,360
of the house

417
00:18:38,930 --> 00:18:35,760
she was a night shift nurse at community

418
00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:38,940
hospital and was asleep

419
00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:40,440
because she was going to be having to

420
00:18:45,169 --> 00:18:42,360
get up in a little while go to work but

421
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:45,179
she was awakened earlier than her alarms

422
00:18:49,010 --> 00:18:47,280
went off because she thought that it

423
00:18:50,450 --> 00:18:49,020
sounded like a jet was about to crash

424
00:18:54,409 --> 00:18:50,460
into her house

425
00:18:56,029 --> 00:18:54,419
and it startled her and I think it had I

426
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,039
can't remember for sure I think it had

427
00:19:01,070 --> 00:18:58,320
an effect on the electricity in her

428
00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:01,080
house and I know that some of the clocks

429
00:19:05,810 --> 00:19:03,660
closest you know in the front of the

430
00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:05,820
house stopped working

431
00:19:13,070 --> 00:19:09,900
and um then Bud had talked to a neighbor

432
00:19:15,409 --> 00:19:13,080
a couple of houses down to the South

433
00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:15,419
down the road a bit

434
00:19:21,650 --> 00:19:18,360
and uh they didn't see anything that

435
00:19:24,049 --> 00:19:21,660
night but they told him that they had

436
00:19:26,510 --> 00:19:24,059
seen strange stuff above the house

437
00:19:27,710 --> 00:19:26,520
several times since we had moved in

438
00:19:30,590 --> 00:19:27,720
there and we didn't even know anything

439
00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:30,600
about that and then like 20 some years

440
00:19:36,169 --> 00:19:34,500
after Intruders was published bud got a

441
00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:36,179
letter from a gal

442
00:19:42,350 --> 00:19:38,820
who lived the street behind us on Hunter

443
00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:42,360
Road and she told him that her teenage

444
00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:44,220
Sons at the time used to like to have

445
00:19:48,529 --> 00:19:45,780
their buddies come over on the weekend

446
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:48,539
and they would camp out in the garage

447
00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:52,080
and the open garage door faced the back

448
00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:54,120
of our house but there's a lot of wooded

449
00:20:00,049 --> 00:19:56,580
area and huge Lots between our house and

450
00:20:01,970 --> 00:20:00,059
theirs you know but she said one night

451
00:20:04,190 --> 00:20:01,980
and she said she couldn't specifically

452
00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:04,200
say it was that exact day but she knew

453
00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:06,780
it was around that same time frame

454
00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:09,960
the boys came in hysterical

455
00:20:16,150 --> 00:20:13,700
and they told her that they had seen

456
00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:16,160
dozens of basketball

457
00:20:22,669 --> 00:20:19,140
sized white balls of light floating

458
00:20:27,370 --> 00:20:22,679
through the woods between our house and

459
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,380
theirs and they panicked and ran inside

460
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,240
and she told Bud that they never slept

461
00:20:34,730 --> 00:20:32,400
out in the garage again after that and

462
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,740
what bud thought was odd what we thought

463
00:20:40,130 --> 00:20:36,720
was odd was that

464
00:20:41,630 --> 00:20:40,140
my mother that night when she called me

465
00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:41,640
to come home

466
00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:43,980
the reason that she'd called me was

467
00:20:47,570 --> 00:20:46,380
because she'd seen a ball of white light

468
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,580
about the size of a basketball

469
00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:49,679
illuminate the bird feeder out in front

470
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:53,220
of the outside the kitchen window and

471
00:20:57,169 --> 00:20:55,440
when she saw that light that's when it

472
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,179
thought came into her head to call me

473
00:21:00,169 --> 00:20:59,039
that I needed to come home

474
00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:00,179
so

475
00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:02,460
that those are a few

476
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:05,340
um and that's the way it would have it

477
00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:06,320
it

478
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,200
would have to be that way there's too

479
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,480
many houses there's too much going on

480
00:21:18,049 --> 00:21:15,360
for for this event to happen in your

481
00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:18,059
backyard that uh the neighbors there had

482
00:21:23,690 --> 00:21:20,760
to have seen or heard something and so I

483
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:23,700
guess uh everybody did right they did

484
00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:26,039
some yeah

485
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,100
um the next part that I want to touch on

486
00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:31,919
um because I want to get to a a major

487
00:21:36,409 --> 00:21:34,020
part of this but for everybody here to

488
00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:36,419
understand your case

489
00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:41,100
um when uh and you can jump in and fill

490
00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:44,220
in the because uh you know the the the

491
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,860
significant stuff uh the the important

492
00:21:52,669 --> 00:21:48,720
points but

493
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,679
um you were physically

494
00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:54,240
um I'm going to use the word blinded

495
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,860
okay

496
00:22:02,270 --> 00:21:58,400
um you uh

497
00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:02,280
came in your encounter with the craft

498
00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:04,440
and with what was going on with the

499
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,299
beings

500
00:22:12,590 --> 00:22:09,600
um you you got a physical injury that is

501
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:12,600
with you to this day

502
00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:15,480
um did you have any idea when that went

503
00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:18,840
down how significant it was we all see

504
00:22:25,549 --> 00:22:21,240
camera flashes right and we know what's

505
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:25,559
going to pass in your case it's it's you

506
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:28,080
know it's a life of uh you know a trauma

507
00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:30,419
uh injury and and other things of course

508
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:32,760
too as well but did you know at the time

509
00:22:40,370 --> 00:22:37,200
uh that it was going to be that severe

510
00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:40,380
well I knew at the time I was in pain

511
00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:43,320
um when when I first got hit with that

512
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,820
ball of light as I came out of the

513
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:46,799
garage door

514
00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:50,100
um and saw that bright white light and

515
00:22:55,450 --> 00:22:52,440
you like you said I it was like a flash

516
00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:55,460
bulb went off in front of me and my eyes

517
00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:58,500
were the vision was splotchy you know so

518
00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:01,020
I had a hard time seeing

519
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:04,380
um later on that evening when my friend

520
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,880
and her daughter and I were in the

521
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:07,440
swimming pool my eyes started burning

522
00:23:12,110 --> 00:23:09,720
and I noticed this white halo around all

523
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,120
the lights that were outside it was dark

524
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,400
at that point and I knew my eyes hurt

525
00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:16,799
and I knew I felt sick to my stomach and

526
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,659
they actually felt kind of nauseated too

527
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:20,159
but their eyes weren't bothering them

528
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,260
like mine were the next morning when I

529
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:24,240
woke up my eyes were swelled completely

530
00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:26,280
shut right my mom took me to the

531
00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:28,140
emergency room

532
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:31,260
and the the doctor there was there was a

533
00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:32,820
doctor in the emergency room that

534
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:35,100
happened to be an eye doctor

535
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:37,380
but he wanted my mom to take me across

536
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,780
the street to his office so he could

537
00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:41,520
examine me he had said he had better

538
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:43,020
equipment to examine me in his office

539
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:44,940
instead of in the ER

540
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:47,820
so my mom took me there why why he was

541
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:50,640
even there I don't know but uh you know

542
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,260
it took several weeks for my eyes to

543
00:23:55,870 --> 00:23:54,480
heal in the meantime the dog that had

544
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:55,880
been out there with me that night

545
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,280
started to have symptoms of I mean her

546
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,960
teeth started falling out she started

547
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,120
first her hair came out on her back and

548
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:05,039
we thought she had mange but then she

549
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,380
started getting big black Uzi sewers all

550
00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:09,360
up and down her spine and her eyes

551
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:12,059
started Whiting over and by that I know

552
00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:13,140
maybe

553
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:15,539
six weeks later or so we ended up having

554
00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:18,299
to have her put down

555
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:19,380
um

556
00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:20,940
and she had been out there with me that

557
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,620
night and I know the thought had crossed

558
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:24,960
me in the back of my mind you know I

559
00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:26,280
wonder if it had something to do with

560
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,860
that night and I wondered if it had

561
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:30,240
something to do with that night with my

562
00:24:34,909 --> 00:24:33,360
eyes but eyes I didn't tell the doctors

563
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:34,919
at the emergency room the next morning

564
00:24:39,529 --> 00:24:37,919
because until I saw the mark in the yard

565
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:39,539
a couple of days later

566
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:42,360
I didn't remember

567
00:24:45,649 --> 00:24:44,520
getting hit with this white light this

568
00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:45,659
bright light

569
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,080
so I couldn't really tell them

570
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:50,880
um

571
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,480
and now when I was in my mid-30s I was

572
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:56,760
diagnosed with macular degeneration and

573
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:58,260
cataracts

574
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:02,400
and uh I'm dilated every six months

575
00:25:07,010 --> 00:25:04,380
since then and my my macular

576
00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:07,020
degeneration is dry and stable I take a

577
00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:09,080
bunch of stuff for it lutein and

578
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:12,419
xanathol or however you say that but uh

579
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,080
I had to have finally my I the cataracts

580
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:18,360
got so bad that I had to have both my

581
00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:21,720
lenses removed and replaced uh you know

582
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,140
at a pretty young age right I think I

583
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:26,880
had just hit 50 or maybe I was in my

584
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:29,220
late 40s I can't remember exactly but it

585
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:31,799
was in that area

586
00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:32,640
um

587
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:33,900
and

588
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:36,900
nobody else in my family had stuff like

589
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:40,020
that that early you know before I did

590
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,779
and I always thought in the back of my

591
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,120
mind that my eyes were never right after

592
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:48,000
that night uh for about a year

593
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:50,520
afterwards my eyes would get all of a

594
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,960
sudden they turn red and just water for

595
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:53,279
no reason at all and then it would go

596
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:55,740
away and that first year after that

597
00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:56,700
night

598
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,919
I would the glands in my neck would

599
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,679
swell up and for no reason and then

600
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:03,960
they'd go away I'd get little little

601
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:07,020
heavy rashes on my cheeks

602
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,419
um I'd get stomach problems it seemed

603
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,799
like my immune system was shot

604
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,440
everything that came into town I caught

605
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:16,559
and of course I had the sleeping problem

606
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,179
and

607
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,520
um I developed irregular heartbeats you

608
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:23,039
know which they checked me all out with

609
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:26,100
that and it was they called them Pacs

610
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,299
premature atrial contractions but they

611
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:32,400
said that it was benign that's what the

612
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:34,260
word they used that it probably wouldn't

613
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,360
kill me of course the only thing I heard

614
00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:39,360
was probably right right

615
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,179
but um that's a pretty young age to

616
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:44,640
start falling apart I know yes this

617
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:46,620
because this happened I was like 22

618
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,299
years old something like that the

619
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:53,520
um uh you and I were talking about

620
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,320
health well we were talking about it all

621
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:57,179
week but

622
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,840
um yeah I mean at 22 we you and I were

623
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,120
talking to her when you know when when

624
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:06,000
you're that age you're not scared of

625
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,740
anything you know you're in a different

626
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:09,840
physical body when you're at the age of

627
00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:13,679
22 and you're gonna die yeah yeah life

628
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:16,500
lasts forever and you get to a certain

629
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,500
point in age like you know for me now

630
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:21,120
I'm 60 and you start to think about

631
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:22,980
things that you never concerned yourself

632
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,380
about when you were young and here you

633
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:27,480
are at the age of 22 after this

634
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:28,980
encounter

635
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:31,980
um in the backyard things just came

636
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:33,659
unraveled

637
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:37,140
um were you were you putting were you

638
00:27:41,049 --> 00:27:38,940
were you connecting the dots eventually

639
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,059
like like you know what I was fine

640
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:44,240
before that date after that date

641
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:46,860
everything everything seems to be

642
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:52,669
when I saw the dog start to fall apart

643
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:54,900
and get sick that's when it started to

644
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,940
be a little bit of a nagging question in

645
00:28:02,570 --> 00:27:59,520
the back of my mind and it's been that

646
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,580
way for me ever since you know

647
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:03,600
um

648
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:08,279
now I've had a lot of unusual things uh

649
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:11,220
come up with my health in the last five

650
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,140
years that most people don't ever

651
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,320
encounter and it always is in the back

652
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:19,200
of my mind is is this because of

653
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:21,960
whatever I was exposed to I don't know I

654
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:24,539
mean it's just it's just gonna be a

655
00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:26,820
thing and I can't do anything about it

656
00:28:31,330 --> 00:28:28,740
or prove anything and it is what it is

657
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,340
just deal with it as it comes so

658
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:34,080
there is um and we're going to condense

659
00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:35,940
this down a little bit again you can

660
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:37,799
fill in the blanks if you want

661
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,480
um but um the ET side of it starts to

662
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:44,000
present itself

663
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:45,900
and

664
00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:49,679
um you you you got a book uh by Bud

665
00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:50,940
Hopkins

666
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,059
um and and Reddit

667
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:55,919
um tell us about that and how did you

668
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:57,960
get the book and why

669
00:29:03,649 --> 00:29:00,539
well before I move back home with my

670
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:03,659
parents we my kids and I lived on 21st

671
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:06,299
Street across from the library so I

672
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:08,220
would take the the boys you know they

673
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:09,960
were two three years old I would take

674
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:12,299
them over there because the library was

675
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,940
free and I'd get books I'd get books for

676
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:16,500
myself and for them

677
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:20,100
and uh Bud's book missing time was one I

678
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:21,960
picked up I always been interested in

679
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:27,059
weird stuff and I wasn't a 100 percent

680
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,059
sure as to what the book was about but I

681
00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:32,580
thought it looked interesting and I was

682
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:34,679
open-minded and I'm like okay it was a

683
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:36,899
stack of big books and honestly it had

684
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:39,240
it was orange bright orange cover with

685
00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:40,679
these big black letters and I'm like

686
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:42,059
okay that looks cool

687
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:44,340
and so um I brought it home with other

688
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:46,200
books

689
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:48,360
and uh because I take the kids there

690
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:50,340
after I moved back to Mom and Dad's I

691
00:29:56,990 --> 00:29:53,580
had taken the kids there and um

692
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:57,000
uh I tried to read this book and I as I

693
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:58,679
began to read it I began to realize what

694
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,360
it was about and the first things that I

695
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:02,940
thought about were my older sister and

696
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:06,179
her experience that she had in 65.

697
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:07,500
um

698
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:11,220
and uh I would read a couple of chapters

699
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:14,340
or maybe a chapter and I'd have a panic

700
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:15,299
attack

701
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:18,299
and it would be so bad because I wasn't

702
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,260
back then I had anxiety

703
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:24,000
disorder had started and the panic

704
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:26,100
attacks but I didn't know what they were

705
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:29,580
at that point in my life at that age so

706
00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:30,539
I just thought I was having a heart

707
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:32,039
attack and my mom take me to the

708
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:33,299
emergency room

709
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,220
and after like the third trip to the

710
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,500
emergency room within a couple weeks and

711
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:39,360
and trying to read this book because

712
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:40,980
every time I try to read it I'd have a

713
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,779
panic attack and my Mom finally said to

714
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:45,120
me one day she told but I told her she

715
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,440
don't have to take that book back to the

716
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:48,179
library because we can't keep doing this

717
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:50,340
so

718
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:53,700
but I always read books by I was never

719
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,799
conventional I always looked at the

720
00:30:59,930 --> 00:30:57,480
pictures first and then I would like

721
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,940
look at the back cover and then read the

722
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:01,919
last few pages and see if it interested

723
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:04,380
me and then if I did I'd go forward with

724
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,100
it

725
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:07,559
I noticed in that book right off the bat

726
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:09,179
that there was an address in the back

727
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,559
where you could write to the guy you'd

728
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:12,240
written the book

729
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,299
and um I thought oh that's cool you know

730
00:31:21,250 --> 00:31:17,279
and I thought I should write him about

731
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:21,260
Kathy my older sister in her June or her

732
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:24,899
1965 thing at Holy Spirit Church

733
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,000
but um

734
00:31:32,529 --> 00:31:29,760
you know book went back to the library

735
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:32,539
and then it wasn't too long after that

736
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:36,480
I I'm not for sure it was just maybe a

737
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,020
a couple months or so

738
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:41,760
um like it's been 40 years I don't

739
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,600
remember exactly but then June 30th came

740
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:46,799
and happened

741
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:50,159
and like I said when uh that night first

742
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:52,620
happened I didn't remember

743
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,500
any of it until a couple days later when

744
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,000
we went out and saw the mark in the yard

745
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,039
for the first time and when I saw the

746
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:01,200
mark in the yard for the first time that

747
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:02,159
kind of

748
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:03,659
triggered

749
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:07,260
my memory I started memories started

750
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:08,940
flooding back of that night and what had

751
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:11,880
happened as well as other things from my

752
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,240
past and um one of the things I

753
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:17,220
remembered was that book missing time

754
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,980
and the Le and the uh address that was

755
00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:21,720
in the back of it

756
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:24,360
so at some point I went back to the

757
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,419
library just to to get the address out

758
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:29,159
of that book

759
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,260
and then I came home

760
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:34,559
I was having horrible nightmares and I

761
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:37,320
was I couldn't sleep I would be up all

762
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:39,480
night sitting between my two kids in

763
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,520
their twin beds in the bedroom and then

764
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:43,200
I would only be able to sleep after the

765
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:45,179
sun came up when when people other

766
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:46,500
people were in the house were up thank

767
00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:48,899
God for my parents at the time and their

768
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:50,460
understanding that I was going through

769
00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:51,779
something because

770
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:53,340
you know I don't know what I had done

771
00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:55,320
without him I was I think

772
00:33:00,430 --> 00:32:58,620
I have I had a nervous breakdown is what

773
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:00,440
I think happens

774
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:04,200
how many years was this since

775
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:07,080
what what do you mean what year did you

776
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:10,440
have uh Bud's book

777
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:16,789
three and the book was I'd only had buds

778
00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:19,440
I'd only read missing time a few months

779
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:21,059
Maybe

780
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:23,640
six I don't know a few months before it

781
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:25,860
happened so it hadn't been that long

782
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:27,899
right so it was still fresh in my mind

783
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:29,460
and that was one of the things that came

784
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,799
back when I remembered right right about

785
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:34,080
it um I went and got the book and I got

786
00:33:38,269 --> 00:33:35,640
the address and I wrote him this letter

787
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:38,279
it's 14 pages long

788
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:40,440
and of course I started out with Kathy's

789
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:43,380
experience because I was gonna throw her

790
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:46,380
under the bus you know she she was mad

791
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:48,179
at me when she found out that I had

792
00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:49,380
written him and told him about it

793
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:51,299
because I didn't ask her for permission

794
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:54,419
I just did it and I thought oh yeah Holy

795
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,059
Spirit was that Holy Spirit on 16th and

796
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,760
post 10th and Post Yeah 10th and Post

797
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,440
Yeah

798
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:03,600
okay that's the neighborhood church

799
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:07,140
everybody just so you just so yeah okay

800
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:08,460
so

801
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:14,159
Polaroids of the mark in the yard

802
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,260
and uh

803
00:34:20,690 --> 00:34:18,300
you know I told him the most of the 14

804
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:20,700
pages was Kathy's story and then like

805
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,679
the last couple pages and oh by the way

806
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:25,440
this happened not too long ago and I'm

807
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,899
not sure I know what to make of this and

808
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:29,760
here's what I remember and then look at

809
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,740
these pictures you know and then I gave

810
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:33,119
it to Mom

811
00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:35,940
and uh I asked her to mail it for me and

812
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:37,980
then she told Bud later that she carried

813
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:39,960
that letter around in her pocketbook for

814
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,020
a couple weeks she didn't she wasn't

815
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:45,599
going to mail it she didn't want to

816
00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:48,119
um start something you know she didn't

817
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,980
want this to be out in public but then

818
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,440
something she said I was mailing bills

819
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:56,879
one day because that's what she used to

820
00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:58,440
do you made out checks and you went to

821
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,940
the mailbox or the post office they

822
00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:02,160
don't do it like that now but she went

823
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,900
to mail the bills one day and she

824
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:05,460
remembered that letter was in her purse

825
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:07,320
and she said something in my mind said

826
00:35:12,589 --> 00:35:10,260
you need to mail this letter for her

827
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:12,599
so she got it out and mailed it and I'm

828
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:14,760
not sure how long it took because it was

829
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,060
quite a while like weeks and weeks

830
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:20,400
and all of a sudden I came home from uh

831
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:22,440
being out one night with my friends

832
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:25,140
and my mom said she was laying on the

833
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,400
couch when I came in and she goes hey

834
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:28,079
you know that guy that wrote that book

835
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:30,300
he wrote that letter to he called

836
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:33,240
tonight I about passed out yeah

837
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:35,220
immediately I have almost had a heart

838
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:37,380
attack and she said she get you know

839
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:39,240
this is before cell phones and whatnot

840
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:41,820
so a phone call to New York would be

841
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:43,859
like a lot of money and I'm like well

842
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:46,140
you can I call him she says you have my

843
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:47,579
permission to call him back but keep it

844
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:51,300
like three minutes so

845
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:52,020
um

846
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:54,780
I called him and I remember dialing the

847
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:56,220
number and my heart was beaten in my

848
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,900
throat and I was thinking to myself do I

849
00:36:01,970 --> 00:35:59,940
want to do this do I really do I do I

850
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,980
want to do this do I really want to know

851
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:03,780
anything you know

852
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:05,640
and then he answered

853
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:07,740
and then he called me back so you know

854
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:09,000
we talked for a few minutes and he

855
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:10,320
called me back so it wouldn't cost me

856
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:13,020
any more money and and that was it

857
00:36:20,089 --> 00:36:15,960
that's how the that's how he made the

858
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:20,099
connection and then he decided

859
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:22,200
um I believe I went to New York first

860
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:26,700
and that was weird because I I had this

861
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:30,000
fear of being lost I've always felt I've

862
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:31,380
always had this as long as I can

863
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:32,460
remember

864
00:36:37,849 --> 00:36:35,220
and I never traveled anywhere by myself

865
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,859
and here and in the New York City just

866
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,599
the thought of it scared me you know

867
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,040
from Indiana I've never been anywhere

868
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,960
without my parents anyway

869
00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:44,400
but uh

870
00:36:50,089 --> 00:36:47,700
I sold I had a portable washer and dryer

871
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:50,099
in my storage unit from when I moved

872
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:51,300
back home with my parents but I was

873
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:52,980
saving my stuff and I sold it to get

874
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:55,380
enough money for a bus ticket to New

875
00:37:00,829 --> 00:36:56,460
York

876
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:00,839
Dawns on me what the hell are you doing

877
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:03,720
you are on a bus to New York City by

878
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,740
yourself you don't know where you're

879
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:05,760
going you don't know what you're doing

880
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,560
you don't even know who you're meeting

881
00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:10,320
up this guy could be an Ax Murderer he's

882
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,300
CR he wrote a book about aliens for

883
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:14,880
God's sake what what the hell is wrong

884
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:19,200
with you did I almost jumped off the bus

885
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:23,099
but I didn't and uh you know I ended up

886
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:25,320
going to New York several times over the

887
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:28,380
next couple years and he came to Indiana

888
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:30,900
to Indianapolis several times

889
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:33,480
he interviewed my boss he interviewed

890
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:34,980
our neighbors he interviewed my friends

891
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,579
our family you know he he knocked on

892
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,079
Doors

893
00:37:44,569 --> 00:37:41,760
and uh

894
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:44,579
he when I went to New York he had got he

895
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:46,980
made arrangements for me to have um

896
00:37:52,849 --> 00:37:51,119
uh I it was a a voice stress test it

897
00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:52,859
wasn't like a lie detector test but it

898
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,300
was like sort of like that only with

899
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:55,440
your voice

900
00:38:02,329 --> 00:38:00,420
and uh I had psychological uh testing at

901
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:02,339
I think it was Columbia hospital New

902
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:04,440
York he had somebody donated either the

903
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:06,060
time or money for it

904
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:08,460
it was verbal and written psychological

905
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:10,859
testing and then they did like a CAT

906
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:12,839
scan and they put these wires on my head

907
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,740
to see if I had epilepsy or I had

908
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:19,680
something wrong on my brain you know and

909
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:21,060
um

910
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,660
so he he did all this all right let me

911
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,400
let me jump in real quick I I just

912
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:28,079
interrupted you and I'm sorry about that

913
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:32,160
but did you know oh uh uh Dolan and

914
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,200
Tracy are in the chat by the way they

915
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:35,760
say hello

916
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:38,460
um they couldn't resist uh the

917
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:40,140
Magnificent

918
00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:43,380
um Terry toll told me to tell you hi too

919
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,060
uh Tracy or Terry Terry

920
00:38:52,849 --> 00:38:50,400
it's a family it's a family affair did

921
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:52,859
did Bud tell you

922
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,420
um that these things were did you know

923
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:58,800
that you were going to get some testing

924
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:00,300
done

925
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:03,420
yeah when I went there he he asked me if

926
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:06,359
I would if I wanted to you know the

927
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:08,520
phone before you left

928
00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:11,460
oh uh yeah it wasn't the first time I

929
00:39:15,530 --> 00:39:13,619
went the but the first time that I went

930
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,540
to New York he took me out of the bus

931
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:18,000
out of the bus station straight to Dr

932
00:39:22,450 --> 00:39:20,280
clemar's office that's the psychiatrist

933
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:22,460
that he worked with right

934
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:25,260
in retrospect I Pro I thought probably

935
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:28,920
it was much for him as me to make sure I

936
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:30,660
wasn't coming in and being some kind of

937
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:33,060
Ax Murderer you know either because but

938
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:35,880
uh she was very nice uh so but the rest

939
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,460
of the stuff when I went out there I

940
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,560
that's what I went out for you know so I

941
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,660
knew ahead of time and I agreed to do it

942
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:43,920
so

943
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:49,619
weighed down on you I mean it's one

944
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,000
thing to have the experience and you've

945
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,420
got the physical stuff going on but now

946
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:57,000
now things are on another level right

947
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:01,079
were you were you handling this well I'm

948
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:04,740
sure you didn't expect this to no I did

949
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,460
not it's kind of uh scrutiny now well in

950
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:09,839
the beginning

951
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:12,780
um like when I coming home from New York

952
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,060
for the first time on the bus my one of

953
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:17,520
my first thoughts when I got on the bus

954
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:21,599
was um oh my god what have I done and I

955
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,460
was there there was a thought in my head

956
00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:24,480
that

957
00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:26,339
you know what if they

958
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:28,859
whoever they were what whatever they

959
00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:31,140
were whatever it was that did this what

960
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:33,000
if they were pissed at me now because I

961
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:35,400
told somebody right and now I'm going

962
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,859
back out into the middle of nowhere in

963
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,720
BFE and I'm going to be a Sitting Duck

964
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,000
and what if they come back and they're

965
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:43,680
mad you know what I mean this this sort

966
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,960
of thing no I didn't I didn't do well

967
00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:47,700
with that in the beginning as far as

968
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:49,560
scrutiny goes I wanted

969
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,380
somebody I you know in the beginning I

970
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,960
was doing everything I could do that I

971
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:56,880
could figure out what to do to try to

972
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:01,200
explain it all and uh so I welcomed

973
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,940
bud

974
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,280
you know and all the testing and all the

975
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:07,380
people and I even told the psychiatrist

976
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,720
during the test I said you know it's

977
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:12,000
okay if you tell me I'm crazy I'm I'm

978
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,619
good with that because they make pills

979
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:15,720
for that and that means this will go

980
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:19,140
away and I'm that's okay so you know I

981
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:20,700
welcomed it

982
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:23,460
um I I welcomed I went out and took

983
00:41:28,430 --> 00:41:25,980
samples uh of the stuff in the yard and

984
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:28,440
the mark in the yard and and a matter of

985
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:30,839
fact 40 years later I still have some

986
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:33,960
that they survived the tornado in my uh

987
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:37,140
mom's uh Cedar Chest I still have some

988
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:39,720
you know bud did took some and did

989
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:42,540
testing on it yeah I welcomed anybody

990
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:44,520
who could tell me what this was all I

991
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,680
could find were people that could tell

992
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:48,240
me what it wasn't

993
00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:51,480
can we um uh I wanted to go back really

994
00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:54,119
quick I I we may I know that we've

995
00:42:00,109 --> 00:41:56,760
talked about it before but for the

996
00:42:02,569 --> 00:42:00,119
audience here we kind of let the the

997
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,579
Black Box come and go and we didn't stop

998
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:04,800
on it right we did

999
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:05,820
um

1000
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,480
deal

1001
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,760
um so the Black Box itself that first

1002
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:13,680
night I'm sorry that I don't want to

1003
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:16,320
lose progress here but before we head to

1004
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:17,339
the Break

1005
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,480
um because we're going to come back and

1006
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:20,640
talk about it uh the black box that

1007
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,640
night how heavy was it what did it look

1008
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:26,640
like you held it and you know that's

1009
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:28,980
whatever wait a minute Church oh what it

1010
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:31,380
look like what was it how heavy what did

1011
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:34,020
it smell you know all these things

1012
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:35,700
um let's go back to the black box for a

1013
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:37,140
second

1014
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:39,000
um and and tell us about it describe it

1015
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,440
for us

1016
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:42,660
um it was about the size of a shoebox it

1017
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:43,920
wasn't big

1018
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:46,740
uh it wasn't heavy didn't feel like

1019
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:48,180
anything actually it didn't even feel

1020
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:51,060
like it was you know anything

1021
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:54,180
and um there was either a red light in

1022
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,420
it or on it there was a small like uh

1023
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,760
area on the top that had like a red

1024
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:01,680
light of some kind either coming out of

1025
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:05,520
it or on the surface of it

1026
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:09,480
and it it just kind of set on my hands

1027
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:10,859
in front of me

1028
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:13,500
and that's when I remember saying what

1029
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:15,240
is this can I have it because I'm

1030
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:17,460
thinking and I can show this to somebody

1031
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:18,839
you know I could show this to Charlie

1032
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:21,240
that was my husband

1033
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:24,300
and they said no you can't have it but

1034
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,800
when you see it again you'll know what

1035
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:27,359
it is and how to use it and I'm like

1036
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,420
okay uh and I don't

1037
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:32,880
I remember it but I don't know what it

1038
00:43:37,550 --> 00:43:35,339
was for or how to use it

1039
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,560
but yeah it wasn't it wasn't you know a

1040
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:39,119
big spectacular thing it's just a little

1041
00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:40,980
thing like the size not much bigger than

1042
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:43,339
shoebox Maybe

1043
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:44,940
and

1044
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:47,220
um I remember us talking about this over

1045
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:48,900
dinner one night

1046
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:51,000
um and I had a million questions so I'm

1047
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:53,099
just going to repeat our conversation

1048
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:03,290
um uh did the Black Box show up again

1049
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,030
um

1050
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:07,680
I had this conversation with Whitley too

1051
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,240
during this conversation with Whitley

1052
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,700
when I had my near-death experience I

1053
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:13,619
don't know that the Black Box showed up

1054
00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:16,800
but I possibly

1055
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:20,819
I felt like you know a Whitley first

1056
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:22,740
brought it up that maybe I showed up in

1057
00:44:26,569 --> 00:44:25,260
the black box right during my near-death

1058
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:26,579
experience

1059
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:28,200
so um

1060
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:32,760
you know I it wasn't too long after uh I

1061
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:35,339
had the the in 78 when they came in my

1062
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:38,040
room and then when I went to have my son

1063
00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:43,020
in 79 he was born July 13th and 79 uh

1064
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,520
and that's when I had the near-death

1065
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:46,440
experience and that's when I woke up

1066
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:49,380
quote unquote inside a box and I tried

1067
00:44:53,809 --> 00:44:52,380
to get out it was a black box and I

1068
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:53,819
never

1069
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,540
I didn't connect that until

1070
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,760
I was telling Whitley the story one time

1071
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:01,920
and Whitley's like you know it explains

1072
00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:04,440
to me about ancient Egypt and the the

1073
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,380
soul box the soul box and you know and

1074
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:09,599
and do you remember

1075
00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:11,220
um and let's stay right here for a

1076
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:13,859
second on this because all of us at the

1077
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:16,980
table that night right it was me

1078
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:21,180
it was Dolan it was Whitley uh William

1079
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,960
Henry Linda Moulton Howe uh that was it

1080
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,880
right was there somebody else was there

1081
00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:29,599
no I think that was that was it right

1082
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,440
and this conversation went to Soul box

1083
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,720
uh for the rest of the night and we were

1084
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,400
all giving

1085
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:41,040
um our ideas about this and it was

1086
00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:45,180
pretty profound and it all matched up

1087
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:46,859
because everybody's got their own little

1088
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,400
take on it we put it together all of

1089
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:52,560
this and started thinking about it that

1090
00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:55,079
what you were holding

1091
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,940
um as a child

1092
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,040
quite possibly could have been yourself

1093
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:01,440
and your future and that's why they said

1094
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,790
possibly I don't know for sure but uh

1095
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,839
you know and I've never heard of

1096
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:11,760
I never heard of a soul box or anything

1097
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:17,040
like that until you know I wetly started

1098
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:18,540
telling me about it and William Henry

1099
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:20,520
explained some of it to me you know he

1100
00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:22,980
knows a lot about Egypt and stuff and

1101
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:24,780
and while Linda wrote about it in her

1102
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:28,140
book uh Soul catchers and you know sole

1103
00:46:33,069 --> 00:46:30,119
containers

1104
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:33,079
um weird stuff it's just weird

1105
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,619
man weird stuff oh just just absolutely

1106
00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:39,359
incredible okay so everybody that's

1107
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:42,599
that's the black box and what may be the

1108
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:44,460
significance when they said you're gonna

1109
00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:48,420
find out later and you'll know well uh

1110
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:50,819
there you go it's just it's just

1111
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,619
absolutely incredible okay so back to

1112
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:54,240
Bud okay

1113
00:47:05,150 --> 00:46:55,020
um

1114
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:05,160
long time and and he was very uh

1115
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:08,099
comprehensive in his research

1116
00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:10,020
um he takes it he's an artist he's a

1117
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:11,640
painter he's this and that but he takes

1118
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:15,599
this subject very very seriously very

1119
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:17,640
tirelessly

1120
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:19,980
um he wants the truth to come out on

1121
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:23,280
this was that um uh was that a part of

1122
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:27,060
his life to you could you tell that how

1123
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:29,940
serious Bud was on this subject

1124
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:33,000
yeah and I was surprised I mean he you

1125
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,160
know when I went to New York he let me I

1126
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,920
stayed at his house and thank God his

1127
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:39,839
wife at the time April Kingsley was very

1128
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:40,920
gracious

1129
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:44,280
and I her and I got along pretty good

1130
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:46,740
she'd be like I didn't you know I

1131
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,619
Married an artist you know not a UFO

1132
00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:51,839
investigator and I always and I said to

1133
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:55,740
Bud uh one time I said why are you so

1134
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:57,300
why are you so

1135
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,900
um

1136
00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:00,240
into this why are you so why do you want

1137
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:02,520
to investigate this and you're so deep

1138
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:04,980
and thorough and and everything and I

1139
00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:06,780
said did you have something happen to

1140
00:48:11,809 --> 00:48:07,500
you

1141
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,819
abducted or something and he's like no

1142
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,800
no I haven't been abducted but he did

1143
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,720
tell me a story about

1144
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,000
um him and some friends were driving on

1145
00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:20,700
the cape back in the 60s and they had a

1146
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:24,599
sighting and I guess that just

1147
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:26,579
hooked him you know piqued his interest

1148
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:29,220
and Bud was an extremely intelligent

1149
00:48:35,569 --> 00:48:33,420
person and I find you know and 40 Years

1150
00:48:37,849 --> 00:48:35,579
of talking about this publicly now I

1151
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,859
find that a lot of people who are

1152
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,839
interested in this are very intelligent

1153
00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:40,800
people

1154
00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:45,180
and uh very curious and you know I I

1155
00:48:49,390 --> 00:48:46,619
don't know I always kind of thought

1156
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:49,400
maybe he there was more to his

1157
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,380
uh siding on the cape than just driving

1158
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:55,440
with some friends but he insisted not so

1159
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:58,260
I wasn't good you know he's told that

1160
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,260
story many times and he said it was real

1161
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:03,839
and very very significant now it was

1162
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:08,099
inducted was there missing time well I

1163
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:09,540
always I've asked him that and he said

1164
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,420
now he always said no but yeah we I

1165
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,119
think we all wondered about that I still

1166
00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:17,520
do you know he's no longer with us and

1167
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:20,339
and he took that secret with him but

1168
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,240
yeah I think that uh uh I mean he

1169
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,920
pointed back to that sighting many times

1170
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,800
and and talked about it but he was very

1171
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:30,839
quick to say but

1172
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:33,180
that that was it it was it was cool but

1173
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:35,220
that that's all you know so I I don't

1174
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:38,280
know I think it was more significant so

1175
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:38,940
um

1176
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:41,160
now let's move forward before we get to

1177
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:42,839
the break because we're gonna go into

1178
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:44,460
another Direction when we come back

1179
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:49,140
still about you and and in this case but

1180
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:54,480
um uh when the book came out

1181
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:59,339
um he ran with a pseudonym right for you

1182
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:02,040
um was that something that was discussed

1183
00:50:10,089 --> 00:50:04,440
uh before the book was published or was

1184
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:13,490
we had to be talked into uh allowing him

1185
00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:15,540
to write the book and he came to the

1186
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:17,700
family and said I think this is an

1187
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,800
important story and I want to write a

1188
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:21,119
book about it so that other people can

1189
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:24,180
hear about the story and and my family

1190
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:25,980
and I were like I don't know about that

1191
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:29,040
I I just wanted some help I just wanted

1192
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,619
to have a normal life I didn't want all

1193
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:33,839
this and I didn't we sure didn't want a

1194
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:37,260
book and you know who our attitude my

1195
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:39,180
attitude was that the time was who who

1196
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:40,920
in the right mind wants to be famous for

1197
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,140
something like this I'll pass thank you

1198
00:50:48,530 --> 00:50:45,359
I just want a normal life that's all

1199
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:48,540
I've ever tried to hope for but um

1200
00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:51,839
eventually we said well okay one of the

1201
00:50:56,690 --> 00:50:54,119
conditions was a pseudonym because we

1202
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:56,700
already had people coming to the house

1203
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:58,859
we had a couple of incidences where

1204
00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:01,319
people came to the house once while we

1205
00:51:05,210 --> 00:51:03,180
weren't home and we're out messing

1206
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,220
around in that Mark in the yard and then

1207
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:07,500
one time daddy was sitting in his window

1208
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:11,099
in the kitchen that looked over the out

1209
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:12,780
the back and somebody pulled up along

1210
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:15,180
the side and turned around and then

1211
00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:16,920
pulled up got out jumped out took

1212
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:18,180
pictures of the back of the house jumped

1213
00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:19,800
back in their car and left you know and

1214
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:21,420
this was before

1215
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:23,220
there was even a book

1216
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:25,559
about it this was before it was known

1217
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,160
publicly wide widely you know

1218
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,680
and so it concerned us

1219
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,680
and um

1220
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:36,000
it was Bud's idea he's like well how

1221
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,500
about if we use the pseudonym not only

1222
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:39,839
for you and your names and your family

1223
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,500
but your friends uh and the street that

1224
00:51:48,049 --> 00:51:45,960
the area that you live in you know

1225
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,059
Copley Woods is a pseudonym that's not

1226
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:50,819
an actual place no company Woods does

1227
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,240
not exist no so um

1228
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:56,480
eventually

1229
00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:59,760
we said okay yeah Mom you know because

1230
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:01,260
this had to be a whole family thing

1231
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:03,300
because it wasn't just about me it was

1232
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:07,500
about my mom my sister my kids my dad

1233
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,180
was involved you know it was a whole

1234
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:11,640
family right I just I was just a

1235
00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:14,579
spokesperson yeah right right right

1236
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:17,880
right and you got the neighbors and and

1237
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,700
everything else and and and by doing his

1238
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:23,040
due diligence and all the neighbors that

1239
00:52:26,569 --> 00:52:24,780
are talked about in the book and and the

1240
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:26,579
woman that I went and did The Sewing and

1241
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:27,900
the or The Cutting of the patterns were

1242
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:29,700
all those are pseudonyms those are not

1243
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:31,140
their real names

1244
00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:34,800
it I I can understand all of that

1245
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:37,740
um and then so the book comes out the

1246
00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:40,440
book is uh not only a hit and something

1247
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,780
that's been a part of my library for for

1248
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:44,400
a very long time

1249
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:48,180
but it becomes a very very big deal

1250
00:52:57,069 --> 00:52:53,040
um how long after that uh did you decide

1251
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:57,079
uh you and Bud to reveal who you were

1252
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:02,160
well bud left that up to me and um I had

1253
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,180
been going with him to conferences uh on

1254
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:09,000
occasion and speaking with him you know

1255
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:10,380
I just get up on the stage for a couple

1256
00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:13,020
minutes and tell my story uh and I'd

1257
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:15,300
done um some you know back then when you

1258
00:53:18,829 --> 00:53:17,220
had a book and a publishing company they

1259
00:53:21,049 --> 00:53:18,839
sent you on a press junket so you went

1260
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:21,059
around and you did TV shows and all that

1261
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,780
stuff and Bud asked me to come along and

1262
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:26,640
I came on some of them I went with him

1263
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:28,980
on some of them because you know I felt

1264
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:31,260
obligated to he spent three years of his

1265
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,200
life trying to help me and so I felt

1266
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,240
like I needed to do this for him to help

1267
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:38,640
him get this book out so people would

1268
00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:40,020
learn our story

1269
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,180
and maybe people would have answers you

1270
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,400
know that didn't hear it before

1271
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,559
so I um

1272
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:48,960
I would do that and in the course of

1273
00:53:54,410 --> 00:53:50,760
doing that I

1274
00:53:57,970 --> 00:53:54,420
I met a lot of people like me who had

1275
00:54:01,490 --> 00:53:57,980
stories just like mine and Wilder even

1276
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,500
and they all seemed like decent good

1277
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:03,420
people that just were trying to figure

1278
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,460
out something weird in their life you

1279
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:07,680
know and trying to find their way in

1280
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:09,300
this world and try to have a normal life

1281
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,460
and function and do you know regular

1282
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:13,619
normal stuff and uh

1283
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,520
I uh after a while I felt like I wanted

1284
00:54:22,030 --> 00:54:20,160
to tell our story in the first person

1285
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,040
it's one thing to read a book by

1286
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:24,720
investigators investigated it and done

1287
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,760
all these things that they do but it's

1288
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:28,500
another thing altogether to hear the

1289
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:31,140
story from the person that lived it

1290
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,300
in the first person and I wanted to do

1291
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:35,280
that for the people

1292
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:37,859
that I had met along the way and I

1293
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:40,380
wanted to also you know address some of

1294
00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:41,880
the questions that I got because I got a

1295
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:43,619
lot of the same questions and I did that

1296
00:54:47,329 --> 00:54:44,520
in the book

1297
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:47,339
and um that was the book that I wrote

1298
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:49,800
with my sister abducted and then the

1299
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,420
second book that just came out a couple

1300
00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:53,520
years ago in August that's con that's

1301
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:55,740
extraordinary contact that came along

1302
00:55:00,890 --> 00:54:57,900
later and that was just written by me

1303
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:00,900
and that's just trying to show people

1304
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:03,599
I survived I mean I've had this weird

1305
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:05,700
life and a lot of crazy stuff I don't

1306
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:06,900
understand

1307
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:09,660
but I've managed to

1308
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:13,260
not only survive it you know to to to

1309
00:55:19,130 --> 00:55:16,020
live through it but to to live above it

1310
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:19,140
to to grow from it and in some weird way

1311
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,940
and I wanted to share that with people

1312
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:24,000
who are struggling with it now and back

1313
00:55:28,370 --> 00:55:26,099
then times are different than they are

1314
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,380
now you know it's a lot more accepting

1315
00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:31,200
even though it's still crazy stuff is a

1316
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:33,780
lot more accepted now than it was 40

1317
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:37,740
years ago or even 30 years ago but uh I

1318
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,380
felt when I wrote abducted with Kathy

1319
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:42,480
at that point I'm putting this store I'm

1320
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:45,960
telling my story in my own words I have

1321
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:47,579
to own it

1322
00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:51,359
I have to you know I got permission from

1323
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:53,700
the family my kids were a little bit

1324
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,119
older and more uh you know I was able to

1325
00:56:01,609 --> 00:55:59,040
protect them a little better you know

1326
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:01,619
and I so I just felt at that point in my

1327
00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:03,540
life it was time for me

1328
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:05,540
to

1329
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,240
I can't even tell you my real name how

1330
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:14,640
can I expect you

1331
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,880
to believe anything I say not that I not

1332
00:56:22,849 --> 00:56:19,800
that people believe in me is my number

1333
00:56:24,589 --> 00:56:22,859
one goal I mean honestly I know if I

1334
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:24,599
hadn't seen a lot of this stuff I would

1335
00:56:32,510 --> 00:56:27,480
have a hard time believing it myself but

1336
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:32,520
and I I'm 63 years old I I don't care

1337
00:56:36,049 --> 00:56:34,440
what people think of me or if I did

1338
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:36,059
things would have been different a long

1339
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,460
time ago okay but

1340
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:41,520
um I just feel like it I feel like it

1341
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:42,300
was

1342
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,440
uh

1343
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:46,079
and then it had to do with my

1344
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,020
credibility and my Integrity as a person

1345
00:56:54,010 --> 00:56:50,880
you know to be able to tell my story and

1346
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,020
tell my story and tell who I am

1347
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:56,160
the uh we're going to take a break in

1348
00:57:02,990 --> 00:56:57,660
about two minutes

1349
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:03,000
um the the events and the way it went

1350
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:06,420
down then the book did contact

1351
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:10,020
continue and also

1352
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,040
um

1353
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:13,920
I remember you telling me about a black

1354
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:17,220
triangle over Irvington yes

1355
00:57:23,390 --> 00:57:18,480
um

1356
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:23,400
just can't believe I was looking

1357
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:25,500
I mean you must not have been looking up

1358
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:29,400
I moved out of my Irvington apartment in

1359
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:35,470
I came to California in in

1360
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,119
like November of 84.

1361
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:42,240
um so yeah yeah it's just crazy

1362
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:43,980
um so

1363
00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:47,040
um after the book came out was their uh

1364
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:53,450
um yeah uh

1365
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:00,589
only thing the last time I had what I

1366
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:04,319
feel like is actual contact you know I

1367
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:07,920
was living with my late husband and our

1368
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:09,540
roommate Gene Robinson and her daughter

1369
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:13,260
and I had I think I had just had a

1370
00:58:16,849 --> 00:58:15,000
complete hysterectomy I think I was

1371
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,859
still recuperating on the couch either

1372
00:58:20,930 --> 00:58:18,720
that or I was like gonna go in and have

1373
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,940
one in a couple days it was like right

1374
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:22,319
in that area

1375
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:25,140
and there had been uh I was laying on

1376
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:26,880
the couch and this is when we lived out

1377
00:58:29,930 --> 00:58:28,200
in the country and we were up here at

1378
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:29,940
this point we were up you know north of

1379
00:58:36,349 --> 00:58:34,319
India at this point and um I was laying

1380
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,359
on the couch and I this flashing outside

1381
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:38,160
caught my eye

1382
00:58:41,450 --> 00:58:39,720
and I said hey guys there's something

1383
00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:41,460
out here and everybody jumped up and

1384
00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:43,260
went out and I went out had my house

1385
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:45,240
coat on because so because I was you

1386
00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:48,180
know infirmed and um

1387
00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:49,740
we were outside

1388
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:52,200
with me Jean and her daughter outside on

1389
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,260
the driveway and we had cows in the barn

1390
00:59:01,130 --> 00:58:58,079
to the um

1391
00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:01,140
east of us and the cows were making

1392
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:04,440
noise and then my late husband started

1393
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,420
hearing a beeping sound coming from the

1394
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:09,119
barns weird beeping sound and he went

1395
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:11,099
inside to get his camcorder at the time

1396
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,040
big clunky you know camcorders he was a

1397
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:16,079
ham radio operator also and he had a

1398
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,900
handheld his like a two-way two short

1399
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,880
shortwave radio or something handheld

1400
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:23,520
and he was trying to

1401
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,359
um

1402
00:59:28,609 --> 00:59:26,700
talk to somebody on the other side of

1403
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:28,619
town asking if they they could see this

1404
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,940
light that we were seeing that was

1405
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:31,920
flashing around the sky

1406
00:59:35,809 --> 00:59:33,660
and um

1407
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,819
I remember walking out to the end of the

1408
00:59:39,049 --> 00:59:37,200
driveway

1409
00:59:42,650 --> 00:59:39,059
and Jean and her daughter were with me

1410
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:42,660
and I saw something walk towards me down

1411
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:44,760
this Country Lane no lights you know

1412
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,680
it's out in the middle of nowhere but

1413
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:48,480
there was like some Moonlight or

1414
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,720
whatever you could see I thought was it

1415
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:54,480
this is Kokomo and that yes it was

1416
00:59:59,329 --> 00:59:57,780
Southeast Southeast side anyway I was

1417
01:00:00,770 --> 00:59:59,339
out in the country I was looking down

1418
01:00:02,930 --> 01:00:00,780
this country road in front of our old

1419
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:02,940
farmhouse and

1420
01:00:07,309 --> 01:00:05,220
um I thought

1421
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:07,319
it was a deer

1422
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:11,040
looking at it straight on coming at me

1423
01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:12,839
down the edge of the road but it was

1424
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:15,420
walking kind of weird its head looked

1425
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,319
bigger

1426
01:00:21,490 --> 01:00:18,960
and I said what is that in the road and

1427
01:00:27,049 --> 01:00:21,500
you could hear me say that on the on the

1428
01:00:28,609 --> 01:00:27,059
video page yes and then you hear Gene go

1429
01:00:31,309 --> 01:00:28,619
I don't know what is that and then you

1430
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:31,319
hear Gene's daughter scream

1431
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,000
and we could and we could hear the

1432
01:00:38,510 --> 01:00:35,940
beeping noises on the videotape and then

1433
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:38,520
the next thing on the videotape it's

1434
01:00:43,930 --> 01:00:42,000
like 18 minutes later it's 18 minutes

1435
01:00:48,349 --> 01:00:43,940
and

1436
01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:48,359
this just jumble you know um I guess KO

1437
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,520
stop in the video and and the end of it

1438
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:53,040
but you could hear us having this

1439
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:55,380
incident out in the front I don't know

1440
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:57,780
what happened I still don't I don't even

1441
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:00,180
remember how we got back in the house

1442
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,540
but I feel like in that something

1443
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,480
happened that night and that was the

1444
01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:09,180
last night that anything I think really

1445
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,819
major physical happened and of course I

1446
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:14,160
wasn't alone I had three other people

1447
01:01:17,630 --> 01:01:15,240
with me

1448
01:01:19,010 --> 01:01:17,640
and they all had remembered it you know

1449
01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:19,020
so

1450
01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:20,819
I don't know what that was and like I

1451
01:01:25,130 --> 01:01:22,500
said that was right when I had my

1452
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:25,140
complete hysterectomy and then

1453
01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:29,160
you know nothing major like that except

1454
01:01:36,049 --> 01:01:32,819
come around like 2006.

1455
01:01:38,990 --> 01:01:36,059
the Kokomo boom happened yeah everybody

1456
01:01:41,569 --> 01:01:39,000
in Kokomo's had contact you took the

1457
01:01:44,890 --> 01:01:41,579
words out of my mouth okay go ahead go

1458
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:48,890
don't worry about it well I you know one

1459
01:01:52,849 --> 01:01:51,059
of the ways that I try to to deal with

1460
01:01:54,770 --> 01:01:52,859
things that scare me is to learn as much

1461
01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:54,780
about it as I can because I feel

1462
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:56,940
knowledge is power and the more powerful

1463
01:02:03,470 --> 01:02:00,240
I feel the less fear I feel so

1464
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:03,480
um back in the 90s I took the test and

1465
01:02:07,010 --> 01:02:05,579
became an investigator for mufon in

1466
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:07,020
Indiana

1467
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:10,020
and I did that for a long time and I

1468
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:13,859
loved it was interesting uh I tried to

1469
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:16,260
investigate my own you know case right

1470
01:02:21,289 --> 01:02:18,900
at the beginning and so I kind of you

1471
01:02:22,490 --> 01:02:21,299
know had a had a propensity for that I

1472
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:22,500
guess the word I don't know what the

1473
01:02:25,329 --> 01:02:23,880
word is but anyway

1474
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,339
um

1475
01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:28,319
uh then I dropped out because I had

1476
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:30,180
other stuff I had to do and I had gotten

1477
01:02:36,109 --> 01:02:32,940
a job at GM and whatnot

1478
01:02:37,549 --> 01:02:36,119
um so uh

1479
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:37,559
uh

1480
01:02:40,849 --> 01:02:39,180
I was coming home from my friend's house

1481
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:40,859
one night she lived in Sharpsville and I

1482
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,900
lived in south side of Kokomo and I was

1483
01:02:48,109 --> 01:02:44,880
driving down the side road and I saw

1484
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:48,119
these three lights one pop in one after

1485
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:49,680
another and then until they were three

1486
01:02:54,289 --> 01:02:52,559
they were orange they were balls and

1487
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,299
they were dancing around each other they

1488
01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:55,920
were quite large they weren't very high

1489
01:02:58,670 --> 01:02:57,960
in the sky and

1490
01:03:01,730 --> 01:02:58,680
um

1491
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,740
uh it absolutely blew my mind I actually

1492
01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:03,599
pulled over on the road to get a better

1493
01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:05,099
look at him roll the windows down and

1494
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:07,380
watch them and then they just popped and

1495
01:03:13,069 --> 01:03:10,140
they were gone and I freaked out and I

1496
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:13,079
tore ass home I ran in the house I I

1497
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:14,700
remember getting out of the car and I

1498
01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:17,160
was ducking as I was running up to the

1499
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,900
porch like I don't know why I was

1500
01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:21,119
ducking that you know like they were

1501
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,220
gonna come grab me

1502
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:25,200
and I ran and told my husband of course

1503
01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:27,720
he looked at me like I was crazy so I

1504
01:03:30,770 --> 01:03:29,220
started carrying a camcorder with me

1505
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:30,780
because I was bound and determined to

1506
01:03:35,690 --> 01:03:34,020
show him these things I knew they were

1507
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:35,700
around I could feel them

1508
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:39,720
well that was I think that was in March

1509
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:42,839
by April of that year was the Kokomo

1510
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:46,260
boom and I heard it I had been sitting

1511
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,180
in the park at Jackson Morrow

1512
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:51,119
at night with my camcorder waiting for

1513
01:03:55,970 --> 01:03:53,220
these orange balls of light I was having

1514
01:03:58,190 --> 01:03:55,980
one of my uh Close Encounters of the

1515
01:04:00,890 --> 01:03:58,200
Third Kind moment that guy Roy guy you

1516
01:04:01,690 --> 01:04:00,900
know I would say you see and and for

1517
01:04:06,890 --> 01:04:01,700
everybody

1518
01:04:08,809 --> 01:04:06,900
this area that she was talking about

1519
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:08,819
this was Close Encounters of the Third

1520
01:04:13,390 --> 01:04:10,740
Kind this is this is where it all went

1521
01:04:18,530 --> 01:04:13,400
down those corn fields

1522
01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:18,540
the lights uh that white farmhouse in in

1523
01:04:21,849 --> 01:04:20,280
cold encounters right you know right

1524
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:21,859
there uh

1525
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:24,960
that that's that's everywhere in Indiana

1526
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:27,359
and that's what's going down right here

1527
01:04:32,569 --> 01:04:29,220
um there's a reason why Steven Spielberg

1528
01:04:33,530 --> 01:04:32,579
picked it Kokomo is crazy

1529
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:33,540
um but anyway

1530
01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:35,220
um so I'm sitting out there and I see

1531
01:04:39,230 --> 01:04:37,140
one of these orange balls I get my

1532
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:39,240
camcorder up I'm on the phone with my

1533
01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:40,559
friend who lives in Florida and I'm like

1534
01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:42,839
there's one and I'm trying to use this

1535
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:45,960
new camera and I'm sucking at it because

1536
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,200
you know it's it's low Lux but I'm not I

1537
01:04:53,390 --> 01:04:50,880
don't know how to use this camera and

1538
01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:53,400
I'm I'm frustrated and you can hear me

1539
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:57,960
on the video I'm frustrated but um uh

1540
01:05:02,270 --> 01:05:00,720
Then I then I hear I didn't hear them

1541
01:05:03,170 --> 01:05:02,280
until they were like on top of me the

1542
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:03,180
Jets

1543
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:05,220
and you know we're 18 miles south of

1544
01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:06,839
Grissom Air Base

1545
01:05:13,069 --> 01:05:10,740
and uh where I happen to be is right in

1546
01:05:14,809 --> 01:05:13,079
front of a MOA military operating

1547
01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:14,819
um you know Arena or whatever that's

1548
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:18,059
where they practice out there and

1549
01:05:22,849 --> 01:05:19,680
um

1550
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,859
uh as soon as I heard the sounds of the

1551
01:05:26,410 --> 01:05:24,720
Jets the Lights Went Away they'd buy

1552
01:05:29,809 --> 01:05:26,420
them they were gone and I'm like damn

1553
01:05:34,250 --> 01:05:29,819
something's down I felt I felt tingly

1554
01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:34,260
and like like turned on like weird

1555
01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:37,260
it got to be in late too much coffee I

1556
01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:40,500
had to pee really bad I had to go to

1557
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,660
work the next day so I'm like I gotta I

1558
01:05:45,410 --> 01:05:44,160
gotta go home I didn't want to leave the

1559
01:05:48,109 --> 01:05:45,420
park because I knew something was going

1560
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:48,119
to go down but I did I got home went in

1561
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:49,680
and went to the bathroom went back

1562
01:05:53,329 --> 01:05:51,599
outside stood on my at the end of my

1563
01:05:55,730 --> 01:05:53,339
driveway looking in the direction of the

1564
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:55,740
park with my camcorder and all of a

1565
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:57,599
sudden all the animals in the

1566
01:06:03,289 --> 01:06:00,480
neighborhood all the dogs the coyote or

1567
01:06:04,970 --> 01:06:03,299
the the little wild animals and

1568
01:06:06,109 --> 01:06:04,980
everything started howling and making a

1569
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,119
weird noise

1570
01:06:10,010 --> 01:06:08,640
I started recording it you couldn't see

1571
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:10,020
anything but you could hear all that

1572
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,940
animal noise on the video

1573
01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:13,680
and anyway

1574
01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:14,280
um

1575
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:16,440
that I'm thinking and then they stopped

1576
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:18,660
and I thought okay well something

1577
01:06:23,690 --> 01:06:21,180
weird's going on I went back inside went

1578
01:06:25,549 --> 01:06:23,700
upstairs to try to get the video off my

1579
01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:25,559
camera onto my computer

1580
01:06:30,049 --> 01:06:28,260
and I'm sitting in my office

1581
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:30,059
and Bam

1582
01:06:36,289 --> 01:06:33,359
this loud explosion

1583
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,299
and the orangish yellow light flash

1584
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,400
filled up my whole office and my house

1585
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:41,039
shook and it sounded like something hit

1586
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:43,740
the roof of my roof bam real hard and

1587
01:06:48,049 --> 01:06:45,839
I'm like what the hell

1588
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:48,059
jumped up and I ran in the bedroom and

1589
01:06:50,809 --> 01:06:49,799
tried to awake my husband I said do you

1590
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:50,819
hear that did you hear that and he's

1591
01:06:56,210 --> 01:06:53,520
like no I didn't hear her I went outside

1592
01:06:57,950 --> 01:06:56,220
because I thought my first thought in my

1593
01:07:00,349 --> 01:06:57,960
head was you know because I had seen

1594
01:07:02,029 --> 01:07:00,359
those military jets and that MOA and

1595
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:02,039
they looked like they were crisscrossing

1596
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:04,680
like a checkerboard pattern and I

1597
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:07,319
thought one of them hit another one and

1598
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:11,520
I think maybe a pilot has hit jettisoned

1599
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:13,380
himself you know ejected himself and hit

1600
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:15,720
my roof I ran outside in my nightgown

1601
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:17,760
with my house coat on looking for a

1602
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:20,880
parachute in my in my yard you know

1603
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:22,140
that's what I was thinking I wasn't

1604
01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:25,440
thinking aliens or anything like that

1605
01:07:31,549 --> 01:07:28,859
well it my son called me a few minutes

1606
01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:31,559
after that and he was a cab driver and

1607
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:33,420
he goes are you okay and I'm like yeah

1608
01:07:37,490 --> 01:07:35,160
why what's going on and he's like they

1609
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:37,500
just pulled us off the road uh they got

1610
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,880
First Responders from every County

1611
01:07:42,829 --> 01:07:40,559
around here he said there's a plane

1612
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:42,839
crash over right by where we live our

1613
01:07:47,870 --> 01:07:45,539
house and I'm like you're kidding me no

1614
01:07:49,849 --> 01:07:47,880
and I I said I I saw this bright flash

1615
01:07:51,770 --> 01:07:49,859
you know and all this stuff so I was a

1616
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:51,780
witness to the Kokomo boom in that

1617
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:54,960
respect and then um

1618
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,599
later when uh the report started coming

1619
01:08:01,609 --> 01:08:00,000
in I mean the police got like 149 phone

1620
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,619
calls that night and some of these

1621
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:03,359
people were saying they saw

1622
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:07,260
a UFO in the sky right and uh you know

1623
01:08:11,569 --> 01:08:09,839
it was a lot more than just a boom and a

1624
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,579
Flash and it was definitely a lot more

1625
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:12,720
than

1626
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:15,900
um afterburners and uh and a sonic boom

1627
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:18,420
listen we live next to Grissom all those

1628
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,160
years we know what a sonic boom sounds

1629
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:22,560
like and that was not a sonic boom

1630
01:08:27,289 --> 01:08:25,199
uh but uh I immediately went upstairs

1631
01:08:28,910 --> 01:08:27,299
and turned on the police scanner on my

1632
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,920
computer and started recording and I

1633
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:31,520
recorded six hours and I got some pretty

1634
01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:35,040
interesting recordings of the police

1635
01:08:39,169 --> 01:08:37,140
scanner chatter like I'm at the only

1636
01:08:41,209 --> 01:08:39,179
known debris site and somebody get on

1637
01:08:42,890 --> 01:08:41,219
the horn with Grissom and find out what

1638
01:08:44,809 --> 01:08:42,900
they're doing and you know all kinds of

1639
01:08:45,769 --> 01:08:44,819
stuff and I have all those recordings to

1640
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,779
this day

1641
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,279
but um

1642
01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:49,679
I got a call from Jerry sivers who was

1643
01:08:54,829 --> 01:08:51,179
the state director of muthon at the time

1644
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,839
not too long after this happened and he

1645
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,640
said I know you're not you're not an

1646
01:09:00,590 --> 01:08:58,080
investigator anymore but would you

1647
01:09:03,229 --> 01:09:00,600
please do this case with my Star Team

1648
01:09:04,510 --> 01:09:03,239
guy because you were a witness and I

1649
01:09:07,070 --> 01:09:04,520
also know you know what you're doing

1650
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:07,080
investigatively and I'm like yeah I do

1651
01:09:12,249 --> 01:09:10,020
it so I was a witness to the boom and an

1652
01:09:16,189 --> 01:09:12,259
investigator

1653
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,199
so and what what kind did did anybody

1654
01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:18,319
ever see anything in the sky that night

1655
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:20,460
there were some people that reported

1656
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:22,140
there were some people there were a few

1657
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:24,900
people that reported seeing um a UFO one

1658
01:09:30,530 --> 01:09:27,960
boy said it was uh he saw what wasn't

1659
01:09:32,510 --> 01:09:30,540
like an octagon shape with blue lights

1660
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:32,520
around the edges of it and it was on its

1661
01:09:35,150 --> 01:09:33,359
side

1662
01:09:38,150 --> 01:09:35,160
and then there were I think a couple

1663
01:09:40,189 --> 01:09:38,160
people reported that they actually saw

1664
01:09:43,490 --> 01:09:40,199
um what they thought was like a

1665
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:43,500
something blew up in the sky like it

1666
01:09:47,870 --> 01:09:45,839
didn't crash on the ground it it blew up

1667
01:09:50,809 --> 01:09:47,880
in the sky

1668
01:09:54,590 --> 01:09:50,819
uh well and you saw a flash you know

1669
01:09:56,570 --> 01:09:54,600
right right yes all right that's my

1670
01:09:59,209 --> 01:09:56,580
whole office all right stay right there

1671
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,219
Debbie I need to take a break and uh

1672
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:01,920
we're gonna do that right now and we'll

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01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:04,320
be right back

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1747
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,340
many Church our guest tonight one of my

1748
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:22,320
favorite people in the world uh Debbie

1749
01:13:28,669 --> 01:13:26,159
Cobble is with us and uh

1750
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,679
um I I Debbie can I just say this really

1751
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:33,290
oh wait I've got you muted oh you

1752
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:36,540
unmuted yourself you are so good you are

1753
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:37,800
so good

1754
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:38,520
um

1755
01:13:46,510 --> 01:13:44,460
and I'm I'm watching some of the

1756
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:46,520
responses tonight with this conversation

1757
01:13:51,410 --> 01:13:49,679
uh and and so many are hearing you for

1758
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:51,420
the first time right which is kind of

1759
01:13:58,729 --> 01:13:54,480
extraordinary to me but nonetheless

1760
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:58,739
um uh when when I first met you and and

1761
01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:00,600
we were able to hang out for like a week

1762
01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:03,659
right we had the best time ever

1763
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:06,840
um I remember turning to you uh that

1764
01:14:12,370 --> 01:14:09,600
night and just said you are you're the

1765
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:12,380
absolute coolest person I have ever met

1766
01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:15,239
and and I just want to say that uh to

1767
01:14:21,770 --> 01:14:18,840
your your your your life uh is just uh

1768
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:21,780
extraordinary extraordinary but you as

1769
01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:24,600
as a person as a soul I mean you are the

1770
01:14:29,330 --> 01:14:26,580
absolute coolest and and never change

1771
01:14:32,530 --> 01:14:29,340
well it's too late now it's too late now

1772
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:32,540
here you are I'm too old

1773
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:35,520
that's very sweet I appreciate it I

1774
01:14:39,290 --> 01:14:36,480
remember

1775
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:39,300
um uh Richard Dolan and I

1776
01:14:44,169 --> 01:14:43,440
we were at the hotel and

1777
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:44,179
um

1778
01:14:48,830 --> 01:14:47,520
and uh Richard goes I I said to Richard

1779
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:48,840
I said um

1780
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:51,840
uh Linda Moulton Howe is uh bringing

1781
01:14:59,570 --> 01:14:55,260
Debbie Cobble uh uh to uh to meet with

1782
01:15:01,810 --> 01:14:59,580
us and he lost are you kidding right I

1783
01:15:04,669 --> 01:15:01,820
was like man settle down

1784
01:15:08,209 --> 01:15:04,679
yeah you don't understand how cool she

1785
01:15:09,550 --> 01:15:08,219
is and uh uh and so we sat outside

1786
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:09,560
waiting

1787
01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:13,020
Richard and I bonded over coffee and uh

1788
01:15:17,930 --> 01:15:16,199
uh stuff in the Ozarks we got picked up

1789
01:15:21,050 --> 01:15:17,940
by the same limo driver at the airport

1790
01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:21,060
when we went to uh speak at the Ozark uh

1791
01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:24,060
UFO conference one year and the guy kind

1792
01:15:29,810 --> 01:15:27,300
of took us on a side track drive I mean

1793
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,820
he got kind of at first was like oh my

1794
01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:31,199
God he's going to take us out here into

1795
01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:34,440
the woods and kill us he just wanted he

1796
01:15:37,970 --> 01:15:36,060
took us to the convenience store for

1797
01:15:39,950 --> 01:15:37,980
coffee which we both thank God we wanted

1798
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:39,960
coffee and then he showed us the most

1799
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:43,679
beautiful parts of Arkansas in the

1800
01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:45,120
spring and it was just gorgeous and

1801
01:15:48,770 --> 01:15:47,640
Richard and I kind of bonded during that

1802
01:15:51,709 --> 01:15:48,780
time

1803
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:51,719
and and he and and he wasn't wrong you

1804
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,760
know and so just just thank you uh

1805
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:55,920
you're you're just uh just an incredible

1806
01:16:00,110 --> 01:15:58,080
Soul incredible thank you I appreciate

1807
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:00,120
that that's very kind

1808
01:16:05,649 --> 01:16:02,880
um it's the neighborhood we grew up in I

1809
01:16:08,750 --> 01:16:05,659
mean it's the Hoosier thing

1810
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:08,760
it's absolutely uh the Hoosier thing you

1811
01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:10,800
know what I do today now uh we're gonna

1812
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:13,860
continue with the conversation I am not

1813
01:16:18,169 --> 01:16:16,260
making this up you you probably don't

1814
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,179
remember this but there was a little Mom

1815
01:16:21,169 --> 01:16:19,920
and Pop

1816
01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:21,179
um I think they had like two or three

1817
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:23,100
locations maybe I don't know called

1818
01:16:30,110 --> 01:16:27,060
Noble Roman's Pizza oh yeah okay and it

1819
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:30,120
was on 38th and Mitthoeffer right and we

1820
01:16:35,330 --> 01:16:32,340
lived behind it at that time before we

1821
01:16:37,250 --> 01:16:35,340
moved uh further east uh up to 25th and

1822
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,260
Mitthoeffer

1823
01:16:41,630 --> 01:16:38,880
um we lived right there and that was our

1824
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:41,640
neighborhood to this day

1825
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:44,640
when I taste Pizza I don't care if it's

1826
01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:48,239
New York Chicago or we don't have good

1827
01:16:53,330 --> 01:16:51,420
pizza in Los Angeles but when I T I

1828
01:16:56,689 --> 01:16:53,340
compare everything

1829
01:16:59,810 --> 01:16:56,699
to Noble Romans no we have a noble

1830
01:17:01,310 --> 01:16:59,820
romance in Kokomo now oh man next time

1831
01:17:02,990 --> 01:17:01,320
you come to Indy you got to come up here

1832
01:17:06,729 --> 01:17:03,000
I'll make you some tenderloins and we'll

1833
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:06,739
have Noble Romans at the same time

1834
01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:10,640
and then we'll both go to the hospital

1835
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:14,520
so Noble Romans is still around wow wow

1836
01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:17,640
wow just that's that's just crazy to me

1837
01:17:23,209 --> 01:17:20,820
um anyway uh with what with everything

1838
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:23,219
that is happening today

1839
01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:26,640
and uh of course I'm talking about Navy

1840
01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:29,159
videos and eyewitnesses in Congress and

1841
01:17:34,669 --> 01:17:31,860
the Senate and Department of Defense and

1842
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:34,679
odni and you know this craziness that we

1843
01:17:39,290 --> 01:17:36,480
find ourselves in

1844
01:17:41,930 --> 01:17:39,300
um and the possibility of witnesses

1845
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:41,940
coming forward that all of that is great

1846
01:17:46,970 --> 01:17:45,540
uh to me Debbie but there's an element

1847
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:46,980
missing here

1848
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:51,120
and it's hearing from those that have

1849
01:17:56,510 --> 01:17:52,640
made contact

1850
01:17:58,669 --> 01:17:56,520
if you were invited would you go and and

1851
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:58,679
sit down in front of Congress

1852
01:18:03,610 --> 01:18:01,440
yes absolutely

1853
01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:03,620
I would tell them what I remember

1854
01:18:08,750 --> 01:18:07,800
why why do you think um that that part

1855
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,760
of it

1856
01:18:15,010 --> 01:18:11,280
um isn't isn't being discussed is there

1857
01:18:17,570 --> 01:18:15,020
still too much taboo behind it uh or or

1858
01:18:21,890 --> 01:18:17,580
you know and I can understand why I I

1859
01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:21,900
fully get it but uh why do you think

1860
01:18:33,229 --> 01:18:30,649
well you know you said it's the wildest

1861
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,239
part of all you know

1862
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:39,590
even mufon the biggest investigative

1863
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:43,380
body you know of this whole phenomenon

1864
01:18:48,290 --> 01:18:46,140
for years and years and years is

1865
01:18:50,689 --> 01:18:48,300
still

1866
01:18:52,010 --> 01:18:50,699
only wants the nuts and bolts part of it

1867
01:18:55,010 --> 01:18:52,020
I mean

1868
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:55,020
it's very hard it's very difficult to

1869
01:19:01,370 --> 01:18:56,880
deal with the

1870
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,380
the contact part although I mean

1871
01:19:06,169 --> 01:19:03,360
like I said I've had

1872
01:19:08,510 --> 01:19:06,179
I've had a lot of weird experiences I

1873
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:08,520
personally think that everybody almost

1874
01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:10,380
everybody on the planet has had some

1875
01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:12,900
weird experience somehow or another it's

1876
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:15,900
they either have brushed it off and put

1877
01:19:20,030 --> 01:19:17,880
it away and just not refused to think

1878
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:20,040
about it anymore you know I just happen

1879
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:21,840
to not be one of those kind of people I

1880
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,640
can't do that

1881
01:19:29,149 --> 01:19:25,679
um but uh

1882
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:29,159
I think that uh

1883
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:30,960
I'm just glad they're talking about it

1884
01:19:37,370 --> 01:19:35,040
and with all of the pilots and um folks

1885
01:19:39,709 --> 01:19:37,380
that are starting to come forward I I

1886
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:39,719
want them to feel comfortable doing that

1887
01:19:44,689 --> 01:19:42,960
I like to see the stigma go down from uh

1888
01:19:47,330 --> 01:19:44,699
making these reports so that they are

1889
01:19:48,890 --> 01:19:47,340
more comfortable telling their story and

1890
01:19:50,689 --> 01:19:48,900
what they've seen and I bet you're going

1891
01:19:54,410 --> 01:19:50,699
to find

1892
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:54,420
some of those Pilots more than just saw

1893
01:19:58,850 --> 01:19:57,000
this craft some other things maybe

1894
01:20:00,290 --> 01:19:58,860
happened to them you know what I mean I

1895
01:20:01,370 --> 01:20:00,300
bet you'll find that I bet you're going

1896
01:20:06,169 --> 01:20:01,380
to find that

1897
01:20:08,510 --> 01:20:06,179
I'm just that's my gut but yeah it's I I

1898
01:20:12,110 --> 01:20:08,520
think that we were all

1899
01:20:14,630 --> 01:20:12,120
um well happy in one regard for sure

1900
01:20:18,050 --> 01:20:14,640
but also pretty surprised that for the

1901
01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:18,060
first time we've got you know members of

1902
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,280
the military stepping up you know with

1903
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:23,040
these absolutely incredible incidents

1904
01:20:28,010 --> 01:20:25,080
and maybe they're just thinking baby

1905
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:28,020
steps you know we're trying to get

1906
01:20:32,930 --> 01:20:30,840
people to just listen the the lights in

1907
01:20:37,130 --> 01:20:32,940
the sky part of it and get used to that

1908
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:37,140
and accept that and you know except that

1909
01:20:41,810 --> 01:20:40,380
is a reality and it's like baby steps

1910
01:20:43,790 --> 01:20:41,820
because honestly I feel like the

1911
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:43,800
governments of the world they know a

1912
01:20:49,149 --> 01:20:47,580
whole lot more of what's going on

1913
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:49,159
um then

1914
01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:52,800
we think they do and uh I think it's

1915
01:20:58,250 --> 01:20:55,140
just like it's Mike just like my dentist

1916
01:20:59,870 --> 01:20:58,260
told me with my new teeth you gotta walk

1917
01:21:04,550 --> 01:20:59,880
before you can run

1918
01:21:07,630 --> 01:21:04,560
okay so this is this is uh this is their

1919
01:21:10,250 --> 01:21:07,640
way of walking before they run

1920
01:21:12,770 --> 01:21:10,260
do you think that the world handled it

1921
01:21:17,229 --> 01:21:12,780
you know when when everything started to

1922
01:21:19,550 --> 01:21:17,239
go uh public back in 2017

1923
01:21:21,649 --> 01:21:19,560
we keep going back to the word stigma

1924
01:21:23,410 --> 01:21:21,659
right but yeah it's getting better

1925
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:23,420
though right

1926
01:21:30,410 --> 01:21:27,600
the world didn't end did it right nobody

1927
01:21:32,990 --> 01:21:30,420
freaked out no we've come a long way

1928
01:21:36,890 --> 01:21:33,000
since the War of the Worlds and I think

1929
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:36,900
that the the younger generation has been

1930
01:21:44,990 --> 01:21:41,760
um conditioned to accept these images in

1931
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:45,000
marketing and you know television and

1932
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:48,960
it's nothing to see aliens on TV and

1933
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:52,080
even my granddaughter's 16 you know and

1934
01:21:55,250 --> 01:21:53,760
she looked at me one day and said ninny

1935
01:21:57,290 --> 01:21:55,260
do you believe in aliens we don't talk

1936
01:22:00,410 --> 01:21:57,300
about this whole stuff around her she

1937
01:22:02,570 --> 01:22:00,420
knows a little bit about that I just

1938
01:22:04,490 --> 01:22:02,580
looked we were watching TV and Ancient

1939
01:22:06,649 --> 01:22:04,500
Aliens commercial came on or something

1940
01:22:08,090 --> 01:22:06,659
you know right right and and she looked

1941
01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:08,100
over at me and she said do you believe

1942
01:22:14,570 --> 01:22:11,880
in aliens I said yeah that's all I said

1943
01:22:16,850 --> 01:22:14,580
and she said cool she said cool so do I

1944
01:22:20,270 --> 01:22:16,860
you didn't say come over here I got a

1945
01:22:22,490 --> 01:22:20,280
story to tell you no because I respect

1946
01:22:24,110 --> 01:22:22,500
her parents wishes and they don't they

1947
01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:24,120
you know for years and she was little

1948
01:22:29,209 --> 01:22:26,100
they didn't want anybody talking about

1949
01:22:31,070 --> 01:22:29,219
it around her and I respected that we

1950
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,080
had the same rule when my boys were

1951
01:22:36,250 --> 01:22:33,600
little and you know but she's 16 now I'm

1952
01:22:39,290 --> 01:22:36,260
like she probably knows more than me

1953
01:22:43,010 --> 01:22:39,300
slipper Intruders you know Christmas

1954
01:22:45,050 --> 01:22:43,020
gift stocking stuffer right yeah slipper

1955
01:22:47,209 --> 01:22:45,060
Intruders but that you know you can go

1956
01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:47,219
to Walmart now and buy lunch boxes with

1957
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:48,840
aliens on them and t-shirts and it's

1958
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,460
cool and everybody thinks it's cool and

1959
01:22:56,270 --> 01:22:53,040
all that and back you know 40 years ago

1960
01:23:00,590 --> 01:22:56,280
no that's not what happened so they

1961
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:00,600
we've come a long way and uh now

1962
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:03,360
um let's let's take it to the next level

1963
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:04,880
though

1964
01:23:11,530 --> 01:23:07,920
don't the

1965
01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:11,540
um contacties abductees around the world

1966
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:16,199
don't they deserve uh disclosure for

1967
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:17,820
them

1968
01:23:22,669 --> 01:23:20,100
um that you said it yourself that that

1969
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:22,679
have kept it bottled up inside you know

1970
01:23:26,090 --> 01:23:23,880
they put it

1971
01:23:29,630 --> 01:23:26,100
put it on a box and put it in the shelf

1972
01:23:32,330 --> 01:23:29,640
and put it in a box on the shelf and and

1973
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:32,340
and tuck it away because they can't

1974
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:34,880
discuss it but if it goes a step further

1975
01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:37,860
then those out there that have had uh

1976
01:23:41,149 --> 01:23:39,900
something bottled up they can now talk

1977
01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:41,159
about it

1978
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:43,500
well yeah of course they do I mean I I

1979
01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:45,840
that's one of the that's like the reason

1980
01:23:50,030 --> 01:23:47,699
that I talk about it that's the reason I

1981
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:50,040
do these things that's the reason I do

1982
01:23:53,930 --> 01:23:51,600
the other things that I do that's the

1983
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:53,940
reason I wrote the books because I want

1984
01:24:01,310 --> 01:23:57,600
them to see somebody talking about it

1985
01:24:02,990 --> 01:24:01,320
you know somebody that's um

1986
01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:03,000
could be your next door neighbor

1987
01:24:07,970 --> 01:24:04,980
somebody that works in the factory next

1988
01:24:09,530 --> 01:24:07,980
to you in line you know I want them to

1989
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,540
see that and they want I want them to

1990
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,239
see that uh you know my life isn't a

1991
01:24:16,970 --> 01:24:14,159
shambles because of it that uh and I'm

1992
01:24:21,229 --> 01:24:16,980
not a basket case because of it at least

1993
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:21,239
not anymore so with um I have to ask you

1994
01:24:27,950 --> 01:24:24,800
about this you you mentioned Factory

1995
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,960
that area uh everybody that we're

1996
01:24:30,850 --> 01:24:30,000
talking about uh that part of

1997
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:30,860
Indianapolis

1998
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,560
huge Automotive uh industry

1999
01:24:39,530 --> 01:24:36,239
um and it's certainly back then

2000
01:24:43,729 --> 01:24:39,540
everything from Chrysler and Delco and

2001
01:24:45,770 --> 01:24:43,739
and and GE this this was that part that

2002
01:24:46,669 --> 01:24:45,780
that's it I mean I everybody I knew

2003
01:24:49,930 --> 01:24:46,679
worked there

2004
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:49,940
and uh and so did you

2005
01:24:58,990 --> 01:24:54,900
did anybody on the line uh recognize you

2006
01:25:00,610 --> 01:24:59,000
or or talk about a book or maybe

2007
01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:00,620
attended

2008
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:05,940
did that ever come up in your personal

2009
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:07,260
life

2010
01:25:10,669 --> 01:25:08,880
every once in a while you know of course

2011
01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:10,679
my husband worked in the same plant that

2012
01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:12,780
I worked at he was there 30 years before

2013
01:25:17,149 --> 01:25:14,280
I even got there

2014
01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:17,159
and you know he told a few people about

2015
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,380
me and so when I actually ended up

2016
01:25:23,450 --> 01:25:21,120
working there you know they're like oh

2017
01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:23,460
that's the UFO lady and they'd look at

2018
01:25:27,530 --> 01:25:25,320
me kind of funny and I'm like whatever

2019
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:27,540
you don't know me you know get to know

2020
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:32,159
me and you but they got to know me you

2021
01:25:36,050 --> 01:25:34,920
know and they talked to me and they it

2022
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,060
wasn't something that we talked about

2023
01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:38,400
every day they realized that I was a

2024
01:25:43,010 --> 01:25:40,440
decent human being and I knew how to do

2025
01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:43,020
my job and I didn't bother people and

2026
01:25:50,209 --> 01:25:44,340
you know

2027
01:25:53,689 --> 01:25:50,219
as the years passed and it got more

2028
01:25:55,250 --> 01:25:53,699
out there in the mainstream and shows

2029
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,260
like Ancient Aliens popped up and

2030
01:25:59,090 --> 01:25:57,120
whatnot I'd be in the break room

2031
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,100
and I'd hear a conversation somebody'd

2032
01:26:04,250 --> 01:26:01,199
say something they'd seen on one of the

2033
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,260
shows about aliens you know or UFOs and

2034
01:26:08,330 --> 01:26:05,760
people would ask me do you believe in

2035
01:26:10,669 --> 01:26:08,340
aliens and I'd be like yeah I've seen

2036
01:26:13,010 --> 01:26:10,679
them I've seen I've seen uh you know

2037
01:26:14,209 --> 01:26:13,020
stuff and then they want to tell me

2038
01:26:16,490 --> 01:26:14,219
their story

2039
01:26:20,090 --> 01:26:16,500
they want to tell me what they saw you

2040
01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:20,100
know and so I dreaded it when I first

2041
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:22,620
started there 15 years ago

2042
01:26:24,830 --> 01:26:24,120
but

2043
01:26:27,470 --> 01:26:24,840
um

2044
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,480
oh look what look what somebody just

2045
01:26:32,450 --> 01:26:30,000
posted are you ready I'm gonna pop this

2046
01:26:35,930 --> 01:26:32,460
up I just mentioned all the automobile

2047
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:35,940
plans but are you ready yeah

2048
01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:39,120
don't forget Western Electric oh my God

2049
01:26:43,729 --> 01:26:40,620
my mother-in-law worked at Western

2050
01:26:46,490 --> 01:26:43,739
Electric Aaron Shadeland yes hi I I

2051
01:26:49,490 --> 01:26:46,500
worked there at I worked at Bell Labs uh

2052
01:26:52,669 --> 01:26:49,500
on the second floor of the Shadeland

2053
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,679
plant which you know it in some regards

2054
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:54,719
Western Electric

2055
01:26:59,689 --> 01:26:57,360
um that was like especially at that time

2056
01:27:00,610 --> 01:26:59,699
my memory it was like half of

2057
01:27:06,169 --> 01:27:00,620
Indianapolis

2058
01:27:07,390 --> 01:27:06,179
it was so friggin big that was huge it

2059
01:27:10,970 --> 01:27:07,400
was

2060
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:10,980
huge they had like 10 train tracks out

2061
01:27:15,169 --> 01:27:13,199
back you know it was

2062
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:15,179
um and the parking lot but yeah yeah I

2063
01:27:19,129 --> 01:27:16,860
worked there for a few years right there

2064
01:27:21,770 --> 01:27:19,139
on shading you never saw a six foot tall

2065
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,780
redhead with another foot of red hair up

2066
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:23,520
on top on the line that was my

2067
01:27:30,169 --> 01:27:27,360
mother-in-law you know um so I remember

2068
01:27:32,750 --> 01:27:30,179
um walking in now I was 18 when I

2069
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:32,760
started working there right 18 19 18.

2070
01:27:38,270 --> 01:27:37,199
and the first time I walked into the

2071
01:27:41,149 --> 01:27:38,280
plant

2072
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:41,159
okay now uh I want everybody to

2073
01:27:46,729 --> 01:27:43,260
understand what we're talking about here

2074
01:27:50,330 --> 01:27:46,739
the telephones in use in the United

2075
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,340
States were all made in that factory

2076
01:27:56,990 --> 01:27:52,800
yeah the biggest plastic injection

2077
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,000
molding plant in the world right and so

2078
01:28:02,930 --> 01:27:59,280
I remember walking into that I had never

2079
01:28:04,669 --> 01:28:02,940
seen anything that big and that many

2080
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:04,679
people working at the same time there's

2081
01:28:11,810 --> 01:28:08,400
like 15 20 000 people in there and it it

2082
01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:11,820
was I mean extraordinary it was just I

2083
01:28:15,530 --> 01:28:14,040
it's unreal

2084
01:28:18,649 --> 01:28:15,540
um so yeah don't forget about Western

2085
01:28:20,570 --> 01:28:18,659
Electric I think I think at one point

2086
01:28:23,629 --> 01:28:20,580
um in Indiana I think half of the city

2087
01:28:26,330 --> 01:28:23,639
worked there I really do I think half of

2088
01:28:28,490 --> 01:28:26,340
Indianapolis uh worked out the other

2089
01:28:30,890 --> 01:28:28,500
half worked at Chrysler and Ford yeah

2090
01:28:32,330 --> 01:28:30,900
and Chrysler was right at the street

2091
01:28:35,330 --> 01:28:32,340
from Western Electric

2092
01:28:37,310 --> 01:28:35,340
and then the the Wonder Bread Factory my

2093
01:28:38,570 --> 01:28:37,320
sister my mother-in-law sister worked in

2094
01:28:40,669 --> 01:28:38,580
the Wonder Bread Factory and every

2095
01:28:43,390 --> 01:28:40,679
morning when they fired up oh my God the

2096
01:28:46,669 --> 01:28:43,400
holy side smell like bread

2097
01:28:48,050 --> 01:28:46,679
I I I I just missed those days I I

2098
01:28:50,810 --> 01:28:48,060
remember the east side of Indianapolis

2099
01:28:56,030 --> 01:28:50,820
was uh incredible

2100
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:56,040
um now uh what about uh today

2101
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:58,080
because here we are you brought up a

2102
01:29:03,169 --> 01:29:00,239
really good point it's 2023 right it was

2103
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:03,179
four years ago it is it's 40 years ago

2104
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:07,199
how how have you grown as as a person

2105
01:29:13,090 --> 01:29:09,360
how has it changed you

2106
01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:13,100
well wow it's changed me a lot I think

2107
01:29:19,850 --> 01:29:16,620
and I've had I've had

2108
01:29:23,330 --> 01:29:19,860
traumatic things happen to me in my life

2109
01:29:24,649 --> 01:29:23,340
since the June 30th 1983 thing and the

2110
01:29:27,709 --> 01:29:24,659
other traumatic things that happened to

2111
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,719
me and I I go to I'm not sure I'm not

2112
01:29:31,490 --> 01:29:29,280
embarrassed to tell you I go see a

2113
01:29:36,110 --> 01:29:31,500
therapist you know even to this day and

2114
01:29:38,930 --> 01:29:36,120
I have I've had peop I have PTSD and

2115
01:29:40,850 --> 01:29:38,940
I've done EMDR therapy on not only the

2116
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:40,860
traumatic parts of my life but also

2117
01:29:48,110 --> 01:29:44,639
we've done EMDR therapy on the June 30th

2118
01:29:49,010 --> 01:29:48,120
1983 incident and another incident

2119
01:29:51,410 --> 01:29:49,020
um

2120
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,420
my therapist is fantastic and she's

2121
01:29:55,310 --> 01:29:53,040
open-minded about all this stuff and

2122
01:29:57,050 --> 01:29:55,320
that's helping me a lot and working but

2123
01:30:00,890 --> 01:29:57,060
she thinks that I

2124
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:00,900
uh did well with the like my my late

2125
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:05,040
husband's suicide uh and the tornado you

2126
01:30:10,669 --> 01:30:09,120
know I I've overcome those things uh and

2127
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,679
I did a lot of that on my own before I

2128
01:30:15,229 --> 01:30:12,960
even met her and she feels like that

2129
01:30:18,169 --> 01:30:15,239
dealing with the stuff that I dealt with

2130
01:30:21,530 --> 01:30:18,179
with the UFO stuff

2131
01:30:23,330 --> 01:30:21,540
helped me grow and be able to deal with

2132
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:23,340
the other stuff later on in life I mean

2133
01:30:29,330 --> 01:30:25,920
because you know my husband

2134
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:29,340
committed suicide when uh it's been 30

2135
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,540
years now

2136
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,880
and I it was bad enough that he killed

2137
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:34,320
himself but I watched him do it he shot

2138
01:30:37,729 --> 01:30:35,760
himself in our backyard in front of me

2139
01:30:40,910 --> 01:30:37,739
and every sheriff in Howard County

2140
01:30:43,550 --> 01:30:40,920
so talk about trauma traumatizing and

2141
01:30:46,430 --> 01:30:43,560
yet I mean 30 years later I can talk to

2142
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:46,440
you about it and I don't I feel fine I

2143
01:30:50,689 --> 01:30:49,920
feel okay I feel I can even feel like

2144
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:50,699
um

2145
01:30:56,930 --> 01:30:54,000
in some way it was a blessing that it

2146
01:31:00,050 --> 01:30:56,940
showed it showed me how strong I am you

2147
01:31:02,330 --> 01:31:00,060
know as a person and same with the

2148
01:31:05,570 --> 01:31:02,340
tornado had a tornado dropped the house

2149
01:31:07,250 --> 01:31:05,580
on me and had to be dug out of it but

2150
01:31:10,129 --> 01:31:07,260
um and I you know shook up for a few

2151
01:31:13,610 --> 01:31:10,139
weeks but I'm stronger and better for it

2152
01:31:15,530 --> 01:31:13,620
I feel like now this whatever happened

2153
01:31:17,450 --> 01:31:15,540
to me whatever happened to me when I was

2154
01:31:19,850 --> 01:31:17,460
younger I feel like

2155
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:19,860
somebody a visualize somebody with a

2156
01:31:25,070 --> 01:31:22,320
slingshot and I'm the little bean in the

2157
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:25,080
little patch and they just keep pulling

2158
01:31:28,729 --> 01:31:27,120
me back down down further farther with

2159
01:31:30,590 --> 01:31:28,739
all this traumatic stuff and then when

2160
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:30,600
they let go of me I just go all that

2161
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:31,860
much higher

2162
01:31:36,350 --> 01:31:34,800
I just feel like that dealing with these

2163
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:36,360
experiences has

2164
01:31:44,450 --> 01:31:41,840
in some way forced me to

2165
01:31:49,390 --> 01:31:44,460
grow you know

2166
01:31:52,010 --> 01:31:49,400
as a person and as a human being and um

2167
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:52,020
it's just weird

2168
01:31:54,850 --> 01:31:53,820
um and you also lost your house in a

2169
01:31:57,229 --> 01:31:54,860
tornado

2170
01:32:00,770 --> 01:31:57,239
and the weird part about that is okay

2171
01:32:05,209 --> 01:32:00,780
the tornado was was November 13th

2172
01:32:07,790 --> 01:32:05,219
November 17 2013. it's here in Kokomo

2173
01:32:09,890 --> 01:32:07,800
and it was years later somebody pointed

2174
01:32:12,830 --> 01:32:09,900
out to me there's a video on YouTube of

2175
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:12,840
a guy whose video video recording the

2176
01:32:17,629 --> 01:32:15,360
tornado that was hitting our town and

2177
01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:17,639
there was a UFO weaving In and Out of

2178
01:32:23,149 --> 01:32:21,000
This Tornado I remember that yeah yeah I

2179
01:32:24,590 --> 01:32:23,159
do I do and it's funny my house was the

2180
01:32:27,470 --> 01:32:24,600
only house on the street that was

2181
01:32:28,729 --> 01:32:27,480
destroyed uh it's like the tornado flew

2182
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:28,739
over the house said oh there she is went

2183
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,280
boom and then took off

2184
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:33,840
but uh I mean it was a blessing in

2185
01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:36,780
disguise in many ways and we're alive

2186
01:32:42,770 --> 01:32:39,540
and it taught me not to be attached to

2187
01:32:46,669 --> 01:32:42,780
stuff I'm you know that's a lot of the

2188
01:32:48,410 --> 01:32:46,679
changes a lot of you changes but um

2189
01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:48,420
yeah

2190
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:50,760
I I just don't understand why all this

2191
01:32:54,890 --> 01:32:53,520
stuff happens to me the way it does but

2192
01:32:57,530 --> 01:32:54,900
not just

2193
01:33:00,720 --> 01:32:57,540
sometimes I think okay who did I piss

2194
01:33:03,050 --> 01:33:00,730
off before I got here that I got stuck

2195
01:33:05,629 --> 01:33:03,060
[Laughter]

2196
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:05,639
and now this may seem like a strange

2197
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:06,719
question

2198
01:33:11,689 --> 01:33:08,159
but

2199
01:33:13,430 --> 01:33:11,699
um and I say you know no matter you know

2200
01:33:15,290 --> 01:33:13,440
the screwed up things in my past that

2201
01:33:17,930 --> 01:33:15,300
have happened and we all we all have

2202
01:33:21,410 --> 01:33:17,940
stuff that we deal with right and when

2203
01:33:23,330 --> 01:33:21,420
we go back and and change anything

2204
01:33:25,250 --> 01:33:23,340
um and there's a romantic side to time

2205
01:33:28,910 --> 01:33:25,260
travel you know with that you know you

2206
01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:28,920
go back to and you know I wouldn't

2207
01:33:37,729 --> 01:33:34,199
because it has made me who I am exactly

2208
01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:37,739
made you who you are you changed one

2209
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:39,960
little thing and you're not Debbie

2210
01:33:43,790 --> 01:33:41,120
Cobble anymore

2211
01:33:46,010 --> 01:33:43,800
exactly I've had many many people over

2212
01:33:46,910 --> 01:33:46,020
the years say if you could if you could

2213
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:46,920
have

2214
01:33:50,570 --> 01:33:48,960
done your life over and not had that

2215
01:33:53,810 --> 01:33:50,580
strange weird stuff happen to you would

2216
01:33:56,450 --> 01:33:53,820
you do that and I always say no and

2217
01:33:59,090 --> 01:33:56,460
because if it hadn't been for the June

2218
01:34:01,010 --> 01:33:59,100
30th 1983 incident I wouldn't have met

2219
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:01,020
Bud who

2220
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:03,840
you know not only did he help me get

2221
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:06,000
through all that but he also exposed me

2222
01:34:10,910 --> 01:34:08,159
to things that I would have never been

2223
01:34:12,770 --> 01:34:10,920
exposed to you know art and New York I

2224
01:34:14,810 --> 01:34:12,780
was able to travel and things like that

2225
01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:14,820
that I would have never had I would have

2226
01:34:17,930 --> 01:34:16,500
never met my husband I would have never

2227
01:34:19,850 --> 01:34:17,940
met my late husband I would have never

2228
01:34:22,129 --> 01:34:19,860
met my husband I have now I would have

2229
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:22,139
never moved here my kids would have

2230
01:34:27,290 --> 01:34:24,960
never came here and lived which meant my

2231
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:27,300
my son yeah my son wouldn't have met his

2232
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:30,060
wife I mean there was be nothing even

2233
01:34:34,430 --> 01:34:31,760
remotely

2234
01:34:37,129 --> 01:34:34,440
resembling the life that I have now had

2235
01:34:38,450 --> 01:34:37,139
it not been for June 30th 1983 and I

2236
01:34:42,169 --> 01:34:38,460
would not change a thing it was

2237
01:34:44,570 --> 01:34:42,179
traumatic and scary at the time and I

2238
01:34:46,669 --> 01:34:44,580
still feel like it injured me and

2239
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:46,679
damaged my body in some way that I'm

2240
01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:49,679
still probably gonna pay for in the long

2241
01:34:53,330 --> 01:34:51,600
run but

2242
01:34:56,090 --> 01:34:53,340
um

2243
01:34:58,189 --> 01:34:56,100
it made me

2244
01:35:01,370 --> 01:34:58,199
uh Stronger

2245
01:35:05,870 --> 01:35:01,380
it made me smarter

2246
01:35:07,850 --> 01:35:05,880
it made me it make the choices I made

2247
01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:07,860
the choices in my life I made because of

2248
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,380
that experience and I wouldn't you know

2249
01:35:14,750 --> 01:35:12,000
I wouldn't have the life so no I would

2250
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:14,760
not change a thing now

2251
01:35:19,669 --> 01:35:17,360
just stay with me on this

2252
01:35:23,450 --> 01:35:19,679
you're probably hopefully you're going

2253
01:35:25,610 --> 01:35:23,460
to go yes Jimmy you're right yes but

2254
01:35:28,370 --> 01:35:25,620
here's the question

2255
01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:28,380
when recording this is going to sound

2256
01:35:34,209 --> 01:35:30,600
like left field to the audience but Deb

2257
01:35:37,330 --> 01:35:34,219
you're going to get this when recording

2258
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:41,390
my favorite thing yeah do you think

2259
01:35:48,169 --> 01:35:45,360
you've been enhanced do you think you

2260
01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:48,179
are now a magnet to this stuff

2261
01:35:52,669 --> 01:35:50,400
I don't think I am but the people that I

2262
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,679
used to be in the Paranormal groups with

2263
01:35:56,810 --> 01:35:55,199
they called me the antenna yeah they

2264
01:35:58,189 --> 01:35:56,820
thought I was

2265
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:58,199
um

2266
01:36:05,570 --> 01:36:01,440
I I think it's it's the intent that you

2267
01:36:08,810 --> 01:36:05,580
go into it with no I don't I don't I

2268
01:36:10,850 --> 01:36:08,820
think you're a special person I I have

2269
01:36:13,930 --> 01:36:10,860
plenty of friends with intent including

2270
01:36:17,629 --> 01:36:13,940
me that get nothing

2271
01:36:20,510 --> 01:36:17,639
I'm wired I I think something sometimes

2272
01:36:22,189 --> 01:36:20,520
I wonder if the some of the experiences

2273
01:36:24,649 --> 01:36:22,199
that I had especially the early ones

2274
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:24,659
when I was younger didn't change the

2275
01:36:30,649 --> 01:36:27,420
wiring in my brain somehow

2276
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:30,659
um oh so you just ask okay uh Deb I'm

2277
01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:32,639
going to let you uh handle this because

2278
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:34,020
I'll spend too much time doing it

2279
01:36:40,729 --> 01:36:37,199
somebody just said what are EVPs I just

2280
01:36:43,070 --> 01:36:40,739
assumed uh but uh so that's the

2281
01:36:45,770 --> 01:36:43,080
Paranormal side of things the EVP is an

2282
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:45,780
electronic voice phenomenon and that's

2283
01:36:51,850 --> 01:36:48,000
when people use

2284
01:36:54,530 --> 01:36:51,860
um you know recording devices to record

2285
01:36:56,810 --> 01:36:54,540
disembodied voices oftentimes you won't

2286
01:36:59,209 --> 01:36:56,820
even hear them with your ears but the

2287
01:37:01,070 --> 01:36:59,219
electronics will pick it up

2288
01:37:04,910 --> 01:37:01,080
and then I've gotten some really juicy

2289
01:37:07,790 --> 01:37:04,920
ones yeah really juicy ones I do there

2290
01:37:09,709 --> 01:37:07,800
there's got to be a connection there I

2291
01:37:12,410 --> 01:37:09,719
feel there is and I don't feel like I'm

2292
01:37:14,930 --> 01:37:12,420
hearing or recording just ghosts you

2293
01:37:16,850 --> 01:37:14,940
know spirits of dead people I personally

2294
01:37:19,610 --> 01:37:16,860
feel

2295
01:37:21,470 --> 01:37:19,620
um and I'm not 100 sure I know why I

2296
01:37:22,669 --> 01:37:21,480
have these thoughts or feelings I do but

2297
01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:22,679
I feel like

2298
01:37:27,649 --> 01:37:26,100
all around us is life and

2299
01:37:29,209 --> 01:37:27,659
um that some of the things that I've

2300
01:37:32,990 --> 01:37:29,219
been able to pick up with some of my

2301
01:37:34,810 --> 01:37:33,000
digital equipment are actually uh maybe

2302
01:37:37,850 --> 01:37:34,820
um somebody in some other

2303
01:37:39,890 --> 01:37:37,860
reality or Dimension or something you

2304
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,900
know that's never lived here that's

2305
01:37:44,090 --> 01:37:41,280
living somewhere else right now that's

2306
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:44,100
not dead yet I had an epiphany like

2307
01:37:49,490 --> 01:37:47,040
30 years ago and I did my first EVP with

2308
01:37:53,149 --> 01:37:49,500
my nephew we sat in this quiet kitchen

2309
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:53,159
for 30 minutes and then played back the

2310
01:37:58,550 --> 01:37:56,639
tape and listened to it and on the tape

2311
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:58,560
you could hear an old man's voice as

2312
01:38:02,750 --> 01:38:00,480
clear as day and he said are the spirits

2313
01:38:04,910 --> 01:38:02,760
listening and right behind it quickly it

2314
01:38:06,830 --> 01:38:04,920
was like a child's voice that said can I

2315
01:38:08,930 --> 01:38:06,840
listen too and I looked at my nephew

2316
01:38:11,450 --> 01:38:08,940
bill and I had this Epiphany I'm like oh

2317
01:38:13,790 --> 01:38:11,460
my God we're the spirit somewhere else

2318
01:38:16,729 --> 01:38:13,800
and someone's listening to us you know

2319
01:38:21,169 --> 01:38:16,739
and that's when the veil just dropped

2320
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:21,179
from my mind and everything became clear

2321
01:38:26,930 --> 01:38:24,480
yeah we have to be I've talked to so

2322
01:38:28,430 --> 01:38:26,940
many uh uh paranormal investigators

2323
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:28,440
about this

2324
01:38:34,610 --> 01:38:31,440
we have to be the ghost

2325
01:38:36,169 --> 01:38:34,620
the spirits to them right because

2326
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:36,179
they're in another dimension right

2327
01:38:40,970 --> 01:38:38,000
they're trying to pull us into Focus

2328
01:38:44,689 --> 01:38:40,980
just like we're trying to reach out to

2329
01:38:46,669 --> 01:38:44,699
them and pull them into focus and I am

2330
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:46,679
sure that we scare the crap out of them

2331
01:38:51,770 --> 01:38:48,540
just like they scare the crap out of us

2332
01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:51,780
it's the same thing well I I well I'm

2333
01:38:55,970 --> 01:38:54,239
not scared but I know most a lot of

2334
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:55,980
people are I used to make fun of the

2335
01:38:59,390 --> 01:38:57,840
young ones in our group when something

2336
01:39:00,590 --> 01:38:59,400
would actually happen and they take off

2337
01:39:03,050 --> 01:39:00,600
running I'd be like where you going

2338
01:39:05,629 --> 01:39:03,060
isn't this what you came for sit

2339
01:39:08,450 --> 01:39:05,639
yourself down and shut up

2340
01:39:11,870 --> 01:39:08,460
um my house is is completely haunted

2341
01:39:15,169 --> 01:39:11,880
right and uh the one you're in now yeah

2342
01:39:16,490 --> 01:39:15,179
yeah and and I honestly Deb and I say

2343
01:39:24,110 --> 01:39:16,500
this all the time

2344
01:39:28,129 --> 01:39:26,230
it's like man wow

2345
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:28,139
[Music]

2346
01:39:34,370 --> 01:39:29,760
what do

2347
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,380
um it'll grind you down one and two if I

2348
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:36,239
wanted to get freaked out about it then

2349
01:39:40,570 --> 01:39:38,639
I would freak myself out about it and I

2350
01:39:46,910 --> 01:39:40,580
don't know if there's any coming back so

2351
01:39:50,209 --> 01:39:46,920
so I I I I don't just last night this

2352
01:39:54,110 --> 01:39:50,219
has happened a lot but I'm talking about

2353
01:39:57,050 --> 01:39:54,120
last night not last week last night I'm

2354
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:57,060
in bed I've got my iPad on my lap

2355
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:01,199
nothing is on TV is off right and and

2356
01:40:07,729 --> 01:40:03,840
I'm reading

2357
01:40:12,610 --> 01:40:07,739
house is dead quiet it's uh

2358
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:12,620
uh midnightish right 11 30 midnight dead

2359
01:40:21,410 --> 01:40:18,000
and from my left from the bathroom area

2360
01:40:24,530 --> 01:40:21,420
was this loud I almost spilled my coffee

2361
01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:24,540
but it was like this

2362
01:40:29,149 --> 01:40:25,980
okay like

2363
01:40:33,410 --> 01:40:29,159
friggin loud and

2364
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,420
and I turned and I I think I said you

2365
01:40:38,689 --> 01:40:35,520
know I'm just gonna say it I just I'm

2366
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:38,699
holding my I'm holding my iPad like this

2367
01:40:43,070 --> 01:40:41,760
I go what the [\h__\h]

2368
01:40:48,649 --> 01:40:43,080
really

2369
01:40:50,510 --> 01:40:48,659
just looked straight ahead and and I

2370
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:50,520
started talking to myself I said do you

2371
01:40:53,870 --> 01:40:52,080
expect me to get up and come in there

2372
01:40:56,990 --> 01:40:53,880
and look I'm not I'm just not gonna do

2373
01:41:02,330 --> 01:40:57,000
it I'm not I'm not all right all right

2374
01:41:03,649 --> 01:41:02,340
all right and my house is is very

2375
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:03,659
organized

2376
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:05,520
all right I'm not a neat freak or

2377
01:41:10,610 --> 01:41:07,920
anything but when you come into my home

2378
01:41:12,890 --> 01:41:10,620
you're gonna see that Jimmy's got a

2379
01:41:15,470 --> 01:41:12,900
little bit of a disorder here because

2380
01:41:18,649 --> 01:41:15,480
you can tell that everything is like you

2381
01:41:20,930 --> 01:41:18,659
know has its spot I'm the same way yeah

2382
01:41:24,169 --> 01:41:20,940
and so

2383
01:41:26,570 --> 01:41:24,179
um that morning this morning I should

2384
01:41:29,990 --> 01:41:26,580
say when I went I just kind of poked

2385
01:41:31,610 --> 01:41:30,000
around a little bit like what what moved

2386
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:31,620
because everything's in its place

2387
01:41:37,550 --> 01:41:35,520
nothing is so what makes the sound

2388
01:41:39,649 --> 01:41:37,560
you know I don't know what do you think

2389
01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:39,659
that is when you have that kind of you

2390
01:41:46,030 --> 01:41:42,000
know there's a disability yeah and then

2391
01:41:49,490 --> 01:41:46,040
you have that that disembodied

2392
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:49,500
object move right a dis how would you

2393
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:52,560
say that disembodied voice this object

2394
01:41:56,689 --> 01:41:53,840
object

2395
01:41:59,090 --> 01:41:56,699
I don't know something is making that

2396
01:42:00,830 --> 01:41:59,100
energy transference and and I don't know

2397
01:42:04,850 --> 01:42:00,840
what it is

2398
01:42:06,109 --> 01:42:04,860
know if everything is energy so it's

2399
01:42:08,030 --> 01:42:06,119
something

2400
01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:08,040
we're energy

2401
01:42:13,490 --> 01:42:10,440
I just don't care anymore you know I'm

2402
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,500
not you know yeah I'm I'm Not Afraid uh

2403
01:42:17,570 --> 01:42:15,840
of hardly anything anymore I don't know

2404
01:42:22,450 --> 01:42:17,580
I'm afraid of people more than I am

2405
01:42:28,910 --> 01:42:25,370
yeah yeah yeah I

2406
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:28,920
um I I have this you know it's like a a

2407
01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:31,199
parting of the road right I can go left

2408
01:42:37,570 --> 01:42:34,860
or right I can either accept it right

2409
01:42:41,149 --> 01:42:37,580
and and and and move on and deal with it

2410
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:41,159
or I could you know just freak out and

2411
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,159
get all concerned and and you know

2412
01:42:49,790 --> 01:42:46,320
cleanse the house and bring over this

2413
01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:49,800
and then do and and really uh Elevate

2414
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,440
things when you know and and I don't I

2415
01:42:57,129 --> 01:42:54,239
just don't want to go down that road

2416
01:43:00,169 --> 01:42:57,139
and then you know some people just

2417
01:43:02,750 --> 01:43:00,179
they refuse to even think that it's

2418
01:43:04,129 --> 01:43:02,760
anything other than well it has to be

2419
01:43:06,770 --> 01:43:04,139
something I don't know what it is and

2420
01:43:08,990 --> 01:43:06,780
just shut down their mind and they don't

2421
01:43:10,970 --> 01:43:09,000
you know allow for anything else so

2422
01:43:12,050 --> 01:43:10,980
there's a third fork in the there's a

2423
01:43:15,470 --> 01:43:12,060
third

2424
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,480
tongue and the four things

2425
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:17,760
yeah yeah that's what they're called

2426
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,990
um I think that everybody listening to

2427
01:43:32,890 --> 01:43:29,360
us including you right now

2428
01:43:35,090 --> 01:43:32,900
knows or remembers their grandparents

2429
01:43:37,250 --> 01:43:35,100
you know talking about the ghosts in

2430
01:43:39,370 --> 01:43:37,260
their house growing up and you know

2431
01:43:42,890 --> 01:43:39,380
that's just our ghost you know man

2432
01:43:45,410 --> 01:43:42,900
ignore that that's just our ghost and

2433
01:43:47,149 --> 01:43:45,420
they they were dealing with it the same

2434
01:43:48,890 --> 01:43:47,159
way that I am now did you have that

2435
01:43:51,890 --> 01:43:48,900
growing up too did your grandparents go

2436
01:43:54,169 --> 01:43:51,900
Ah that's just our ghost well I never

2437
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:54,179
knew my grandparents because they were

2438
01:43:58,729 --> 01:43:55,920
all dead before I was born well except

2439
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:58,739
for one my one grandmother

2440
01:44:01,790 --> 01:43:59,520
um

2441
01:44:06,169 --> 01:44:01,800
but I was never around her very much but

2442
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:06,179
my parents did I mean I I remember a

2443
01:44:11,930 --> 01:44:08,760
long time you know my mom making a

2444
01:44:14,570 --> 01:44:11,940
comment of my mostly my mom making a

2445
01:44:17,149 --> 01:44:14,580
comment the last ghost you know she goes

2446
01:44:18,590 --> 01:44:17,159
he ain't gonna hurt nobody it don't hurt

2447
01:44:21,770 --> 01:44:18,600
you just hanging around

2448
01:44:23,330 --> 01:44:21,780
I'm like well okay that's fine if you

2449
01:44:25,250 --> 01:44:23,340
don't burn my house down you can stay

2450
01:44:27,050 --> 01:44:25,260
here all you want I don't care have you

2451
01:44:29,090 --> 01:44:27,060
ever seen a ghost or something you can't

2452
01:44:32,090 --> 01:44:29,100
explain enough oh I've seen yeah I've

2453
01:44:34,129 --> 01:44:32,100
seen I've got video of uh something that

2454
01:44:36,290 --> 01:44:34,139
peaked around the corner and during an

2455
01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:36,300
investigation that my little group did

2456
01:44:40,729 --> 01:44:39,000
you told me about that

2457
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:40,739
um tell everybody about this I remember

2458
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:41,760
this

2459
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:44,159
we did a private investigation

2460
01:44:46,970 --> 01:44:44,880
um

2461
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:46,980
it was here in Kokomo and it was in one

2462
01:44:52,129 --> 01:44:49,500
of the old houses in Alan Sycamore you

2463
01:44:55,669 --> 01:44:52,139
know but uh uh

2464
01:44:57,169 --> 01:44:55,679
we had set our camera up in um a room

2465
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:57,179
and it was looking into another room and

2466
01:45:01,490 --> 01:44:58,560
there was like a doorway it was kind of

2467
01:45:02,510 --> 01:45:01,500
looking into a doorway and the video you

2468
01:45:04,910 --> 01:45:02,520
see

2469
01:45:07,070 --> 01:45:04,920
um a missed

2470
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:07,080
in the shape of a head and a part of a

2471
01:45:12,530 --> 01:45:09,360
shoulder comes around the corner

2472
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:12,540
it sees our camera and then it backs up

2473
01:45:16,850 --> 01:45:15,119
it goes back behind the thing you know

2474
01:45:17,870 --> 01:45:16,860
and we caught we caught that that was

2475
01:45:20,930 --> 01:45:17,880
pretty cool

2476
01:45:25,490 --> 01:45:20,940
and um

2477
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,500
we've had conversations with stuff

2478
01:45:31,970 --> 01:45:28,080
with our K2 meters and our Tria Court

2479
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:31,980
Tri meters you know where it would we

2480
01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:35,040
would ask uh yes or no questions and you

2481
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:37,920
know make the lights flicker twice for

2482
01:45:41,870 --> 01:45:39,840
yes and once for no or whatever and it

2483
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:41,880
would actually do it and then I remember

2484
01:45:48,169 --> 01:45:43,800
one time we did an investigation at the

2485
01:45:50,270 --> 01:45:48,179
Atlanta hotel in Atlanta Indiana and

2486
01:45:51,770 --> 01:45:50,280
um or was it the Atlanta I can't

2487
01:45:54,830 --> 01:45:51,780
remember what the Rhodes Hotel in

2488
01:45:57,410 --> 01:45:54,840
Atlanta India and um we're in the

2489
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,420
preacher's room back there with our we

2490
01:46:01,850 --> 01:45:59,280
were doing an EVP session

2491
01:46:04,189 --> 01:46:01,860
and we heard footsteps that sounded like

2492
01:46:06,169 --> 01:46:04,199
a child running down the hall wooden

2493
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:06,179
floor towards the room we were in

2494
01:46:11,209 --> 01:46:08,159
everybody heard it was clear and loud as

2495
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:11,219
a bell and when we got up to look out

2496
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:12,480
there and there was nothing in the

2497
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:15,840
hallway but uh one of the reports that

2498
01:46:20,090 --> 01:46:18,480
people used to have in that house was a

2499
01:46:22,609 --> 01:46:20,100
little kid that would play ball up and

2500
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:22,619
down the hall and we captured the sound

2501
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:24,300
of the running up and down the hallway

2502
01:46:28,010 --> 01:46:26,639
we even captured the sound of a cat

2503
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:28,020
meowing

2504
01:46:31,609 --> 01:46:29,760
uh over and over again and there wasn't

2505
01:46:34,370 --> 01:46:31,619
any cats in the house or around the

2506
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:34,380
house the owners didn't have a cat

2507
01:46:39,709 --> 01:46:37,199
yeah I find

2508
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:39,719
um I I think that everything is just

2509
01:46:45,649 --> 01:46:42,239
connected oh yeah and you know we're

2510
01:46:52,490 --> 01:46:45,659
talking about ghosts or Spirits or

2511
01:46:55,370 --> 01:46:52,500
voices or UFOs or the it seems to me

2512
01:46:57,530 --> 01:46:55,380
there's just another dimension in front

2513
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:57,540
of us that exists

2514
01:47:05,169 --> 01:47:01,679
that we are not 100 aware of we're only

2515
01:47:08,810 --> 01:47:05,179
aware of it when the frequencies cross

2516
01:47:14,209 --> 01:47:08,820
Here's my thought on human brains I feel

2517
01:47:16,609 --> 01:47:14,219
like human brains are tube type radios

2518
01:47:18,050 --> 01:47:16,619
sitting in the middle of a digital Dolby

2519
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:18,060
Surround Sound world

2520
01:47:23,689 --> 01:47:21,119
and I see myself in my office and I know

2521
01:47:26,689 --> 01:47:23,699
for a fact there are

2522
01:47:28,609 --> 01:47:26,699
Wi-Fi signals probably seven or eight of

2523
01:47:30,590 --> 01:47:28,619
them from my neighbors and and my

2524
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:30,600
husband's got a couple

2525
01:47:36,350 --> 01:47:33,840
television signals radio signals are all

2526
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:36,360
kinds of stuff coming right through this

2527
01:47:40,729 --> 01:47:38,880
room probably right through me I don't

2528
01:47:44,330 --> 01:47:40,739
see him my brain doesn't see him because

2529
01:47:47,050 --> 01:47:44,340
I'm not wired to receive them so I don't

2530
01:47:50,810 --> 01:47:47,060
perceive them but my

2531
01:47:54,410 --> 01:47:50,820
Wi-Fi on my phone it it's it's built to

2532
01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:54,420
receive the signal from my Wi-Fi right I

2533
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:58,560
I think our brains are wired one way for

2534
01:48:03,169 --> 01:48:01,440
one thing but there's a whole bunch of

2535
01:48:06,590 --> 01:48:03,179
stuff going on around us

2536
01:48:08,030 --> 01:48:06,600
I feel like having the contact I had

2537
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:08,040
with whatever this was when I was

2538
01:48:12,370 --> 01:48:10,320
younger that's why I said before I think

2539
01:48:15,169 --> 01:48:12,380
it affects

2540
01:48:17,930 --> 01:48:15,179
affects something in the way I perceive

2541
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:17,940
things and maybe rerouted some wiring in

2542
01:48:22,729 --> 01:48:20,639
me I think that it does that to a lot of

2543
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,739
people who have contact especially at a

2544
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:24,480
young age when you're still you know

2545
01:48:27,169 --> 01:48:26,639
growing and stuff

2546
01:48:33,470 --> 01:48:27,179
um

2547
01:48:36,830 --> 01:48:33,480
able to receive and perceive things

2548
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:36,840
maybe a little bit differently than most

2549
01:48:41,570 --> 01:48:39,360
people do even you know

2550
01:48:44,570 --> 01:48:41,580
back when we had that black triangle

2551
01:48:48,169 --> 01:48:44,580
sighting in April of 90 of 84 mom and I

2552
01:48:50,209 --> 01:48:48,179
over Indy uh we actually reported it to

2553
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:50,219
the Center for UFO studies in Chicago

2554
01:48:56,450 --> 01:48:53,520
and when we called that 24-hour number

2555
01:48:57,169 --> 01:48:56,460
that bud gave us Dr heinek answered the

2556
01:49:00,169 --> 01:48:57,179
phone

2557
01:49:02,450 --> 01:49:00,179
uh so we talked to him and we both Drew

2558
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:02,460
pictures and then my mother had a

2559
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:05,520
conversation with him I think at one

2560
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:06,960
other time

2561
01:49:13,910 --> 01:49:11,040
and he my mother always said that he

2562
01:49:16,189 --> 01:49:13,920
told her that he felt like uh from what

2563
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:16,199
he was seeing what he was learning over

2564
01:49:22,729 --> 01:49:18,480
the years that maybe not everybody is

2565
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:22,739
able to see these things or meant to

2566
01:49:27,410 --> 01:49:25,679
um like you you could put 10 people out

2567
01:49:29,209 --> 01:49:27,420
in the field and have something happen

2568
01:49:31,550 --> 01:49:29,219
but maybe only four people would

2569
01:49:33,649 --> 01:49:31,560
actually see it you know or notice it or

2570
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:33,659
be able to see it I really believe that

2571
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:35,280
I feel that

2572
01:49:38,570 --> 01:49:36,000
um

2573
01:49:41,209 --> 01:49:38,580
and I think that because I had contact

2574
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:41,219
so young and at an early age especially

2575
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:42,960
when my brain was growing and everything

2576
01:49:47,870 --> 01:49:45,840
I just feel like it's you know and then

2577
01:49:52,609 --> 01:49:47,880
I I had took the

2578
01:49:54,530 --> 01:49:52,619
I went from UFO stuff mostly into the

2579
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:54,540
Paranormal because we were experiencing

2580
01:50:00,410 --> 01:49:57,840
paranormal activity at the same time we

2581
01:50:02,330 --> 01:50:00,420
were having the UFO stuff when it was

2582
01:50:05,810 --> 01:50:02,340
when when the activity was at its peak

2583
01:50:08,330 --> 01:50:05,820
back in the 80s and early 90s we were

2584
01:50:10,250 --> 01:50:08,340
also experiencing a peak in paranormal

2585
01:50:12,109 --> 01:50:10,260
activity in our home and around us and

2586
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:12,119
it wasn't just in the house

2587
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:15,119
it would be where we moved

2588
01:50:19,250 --> 01:50:16,800
um you know like when I moved away from

2589
01:50:21,470 --> 01:50:19,260
my mom and dad's house it followed me

2590
01:50:22,850 --> 01:50:21,480
sorry about my dogs they must have just

2591
01:50:24,830 --> 01:50:22,860
gotten out of the bedroom I don't know

2592
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:24,840
if you can hear them barking or not they

2593
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:27,840
sound wonderful they're a little ankle

2594
01:50:33,290 --> 01:50:29,760
biters but anyway

2595
01:50:37,250 --> 01:50:33,300
um so and I made the transition in the

2596
01:50:39,290 --> 01:50:37,260
early 2000s from UFO Only research to

2597
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:39,300
Paranormal research and I got involved

2598
01:50:43,850 --> 01:50:42,000
in that's how that's when I first

2599
01:50:47,570 --> 01:50:43,860
uh started to learn more about

2600
01:50:49,490 --> 01:50:47,580
Paranormal Activity uh and research it

2601
01:50:50,990 --> 01:50:49,500
and investigate it for the people you

2602
01:50:53,090 --> 01:50:51,000
know and I feel like there's the

2603
01:50:55,310 --> 01:50:53,100
connection I don't know so far the only

2604
01:50:57,530 --> 01:50:55,320
common denominator I've found is the

2605
01:50:59,390 --> 01:50:57,540
actual experiencer themselves you know

2606
01:51:02,330 --> 01:50:59,400
it seems that a lot of people who have

2607
01:51:04,609 --> 01:51:02,340
UFO activity have this other layer of

2608
01:51:07,070 --> 01:51:04,619
Paranormal Activity happening at the

2609
01:51:08,689 --> 01:51:07,080
same time or or you know kind of

2610
01:51:10,750 --> 01:51:08,699
overlapping

2611
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:10,760
there's got to be a connection you

2612
01:51:18,189 --> 01:51:14,159
explain it so well though it's a very

2613
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:18,199
elegant way to look at it because

2614
01:51:25,490 --> 01:51:21,840
right now I'm looking at a computer

2615
01:51:29,090 --> 01:51:25,500
screen with you on it right your image

2616
01:51:33,609 --> 01:51:29,100
this is a digital carrier signal and the

2617
01:51:37,490 --> 01:51:33,619
same signal is uh accessible on Wi-Fi

2618
01:51:39,649 --> 01:51:37,500
going through the air to that can be

2619
01:51:41,990 --> 01:51:39,659
received by something but what what

2620
01:51:45,410 --> 01:51:42,000
comes out of it

2621
01:51:50,330 --> 01:51:45,420
is a picture is a world right and that's

2622
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:50,340
that's what we see and that idea that

2623
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:52,080
just right there if we can understand

2624
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,880
that then there is a way to see a whole

2625
01:52:02,510 --> 01:51:58,320
lot of things

2626
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:02,520
and to have those signals going through

2627
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:05,760
you know the ether right the air into

2628
01:52:11,149 --> 01:52:09,360
our brains so we can see the world right

2629
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:11,159
that's that's what's happening this is

2630
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,199
an electronic signal between your eye

2631
01:52:18,410 --> 01:52:15,360
and your brain with nerves

2632
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,420
so we can see reality and if we just

2633
01:52:22,609 --> 01:52:20,400
take that concept and apply it to

2634
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:22,619
everything across the board that's

2635
01:52:27,770 --> 01:52:25,199
that's definitely would explain a lot of

2636
01:52:30,050 --> 01:52:27,780
what's going on especially when you know

2637
01:52:33,830 --> 01:52:30,060
what I'm going to be straight

2638
01:52:35,870 --> 01:52:33,840
that black triangle or a UFO that

2639
01:52:38,570 --> 01:52:35,880
appears and disappears in the sky right

2640
01:52:41,570 --> 01:52:38,580
in front of your eyes right what what do

2641
01:52:43,729 --> 01:52:41,580
you mean disappearing wow it just it

2642
01:52:46,970 --> 01:52:43,739
came and went out of a dimension it

2643
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:46,980
didn't necessarily disappear right it

2644
01:52:53,870 --> 01:52:51,119
didn't demolecularize it came into this

2645
01:52:55,129 --> 01:52:53,880
dimension for a brief second the black

2646
01:52:57,709 --> 01:52:55,139
triangle

2647
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:57,719
which was seen over going back to our

2648
01:53:04,010 --> 01:52:59,360
neighborhood right

2649
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:04,020
this is a densely populated area so why

2650
01:53:09,770 --> 01:53:06,480
didn't uh the Indianapolis Police

2651
01:53:11,890 --> 01:53:09,780
Department why didn't 9-1-1 you know the

2652
01:53:15,470 --> 01:53:11,900
phone system light up that night

2653
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:15,480
this thing was huge yeah only certain

2654
01:53:21,169 --> 01:53:17,520
people see things

2655
01:53:23,090 --> 01:53:21,179
um uh at a time it's it's a really

2656
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:23,100
strange thing and I I think you explain

2657
01:53:27,470 --> 01:53:25,679
it really well I do Debbie I mean I

2658
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:27,480
could be wrong I mean these are what I'm

2659
01:53:32,090 --> 01:53:30,000
saying is just my thoughts and theories

2660
01:53:34,850 --> 01:53:32,100
on things you know I've thought about it

2661
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:34,860
for a long time I had a year in my life

2662
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:38,239
when I got like all these images and

2663
01:53:43,850 --> 01:53:42,000
messages not messages but like phrases

2664
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:43,860
and words that I'd have to write down or

2665
01:53:48,830 --> 01:53:46,800
Draw and one of the things I drew was a

2666
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:48,840
bunch of bubbles all touching together

2667
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:50,719
soap bubbles

2668
01:53:56,990 --> 01:53:54,239
and somewhere somebody somehow told me

2669
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:57,000
that those bubbles were universes and

2670
01:54:01,970 --> 01:53:59,520
those little places where they touch and

2671
01:54:03,950 --> 01:54:01,980
wear a soap bubble kind of becomes the

2672
01:54:06,169 --> 01:54:03,960
bubble it touches for a minute

2673
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:06,179
those are the places where you can pass

2674
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:08,880
through but they're fleeting they don't

2675
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:11,760
last long because this whole thing moves

2676
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,639
and you know that's just always stuck

2677
01:54:18,410 --> 01:54:16,560
with me and then when I hear Michio Kaku

2678
01:54:20,570 --> 01:54:18,420
say things like and I probably said his

2679
01:54:22,129 --> 01:54:20,580
name wrong but I love him so much you

2680
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:22,139
know there's a dinosaur in your living

2681
01:54:28,010 --> 01:54:25,679
room right now I get that I see that I

2682
01:54:33,010 --> 01:54:28,020
know what that means and I believe that

2683
01:54:35,629 --> 01:54:33,020
I don't know I see this my brain just

2684
01:54:38,689 --> 01:54:35,639
goes everywhere

2685
01:54:40,729 --> 01:54:38,699
oh man absolute very best what are you

2686
01:54:41,950 --> 01:54:40,739
doing now what's what what's going on in

2687
01:54:45,050 --> 01:54:41,960
your world

2688
01:54:48,229 --> 01:54:45,060
right now I'm using another appearance

2689
01:54:51,530 --> 01:54:48,239
uh happening I'm gonna be um actually

2690
01:54:54,830 --> 01:54:51,540
I'm gonna be going to the UFO Con in uh

2691
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:54,840
San Francisco in March okay I'm going to

2692
01:54:57,709 --> 01:54:56,639
speak there

2693
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:57,719
um this is going to be the first time

2694
01:55:03,470 --> 01:54:59,760
I've been out for a long time

2695
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:03,480
so uh you know I hope I don't

2696
01:55:07,870 --> 01:55:06,000
I hope I don't mess up

2697
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:07,880
I'll be just fine

2698
01:55:13,250 --> 01:55:11,040
and uh and there there may be something

2699
01:55:15,290 --> 01:55:13,260
with Debbie and I in our future too as

2700
01:55:17,810 --> 01:55:15,300
well I can't really say too much right

2701
01:55:19,970 --> 01:55:17,820
now but but we've got something in the

2702
01:55:23,209 --> 01:55:19,980
works we've got something in the works

2703
01:55:26,030 --> 01:55:23,219
so there you go Debbie thank you so much

2704
01:55:28,850 --> 01:55:26,040
enjoy the rest of the holidays and and

2705
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:28,860
and and the new year and let's speak

2706
01:55:36,410 --> 01:55:31,679
over the next couple of days thank you

2707
01:55:39,530 --> 01:55:36,420
oh um can everybody go and uh visit you

2708
01:55:41,570 --> 01:55:39,540
at debshome.com yes they can and they

2709
01:55:43,310 --> 01:55:41,580
can also if they want to get my book

2710
01:55:46,129 --> 01:55:43,320
extraordinary contact they can get that

2711
01:55:48,169 --> 01:55:46,139
on Amazon or books a million or Barnes

2712
01:55:50,330 --> 01:55:48,179
and Nobles online they're all available

2713
01:55:53,330 --> 01:55:50,340
up there yeah and everything is over at

2714
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:53,340
Deb's home so there you go Debbie thank

2715
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:55,679
you so much now go make some tenderloins

2716
01:56:00,649 --> 01:55:57,840
and send me more

2717
01:56:01,870 --> 01:56:00,659
all right I'll talk to you bye dad all

2718
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:01,880
right bye-bye

2719
01:56:08,330 --> 01:56:05,520
Debbie Cobble and uh it's extraordinary

2720
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:08,340
uh her website debshome.com the links

2721
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:11,760
are in social media and over on our

2722
01:56:17,450 --> 01:56:14,280
website you can go and check out uh

2723
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:17,460
Debbie over there and yes she just sent

2724
01:56:21,410 --> 01:56:19,679
me pictures of the tenderloins that she

2725
01:56:24,530 --> 01:56:21,420
just made

2726
01:56:26,450 --> 01:56:24,540
and they looked really good this is Fade

2727
01:56:30,649 --> 01:56:26,460
to Black I'm Yours Jimmy church so we

2728
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:30,659
had uh we had Kane we had Cobble and

2729
01:56:37,250 --> 01:56:33,840
tomorrow we have cosme that's right oh

2730
01:56:38,750 --> 01:56:37,260
an amazing week here on Fade to Black so

2731
01:56:42,830 --> 01:56:38,760
tomorrow nights

2732
01:56:45,290 --> 01:56:42,840
Sarah breskman cosme is with us

2733
01:56:50,450 --> 01:56:45,300
I'm here with Jimmy church this is Fade

2734
01:56:53,930 --> 01:56:50,460
to Black and we just went pole to pole

2735
01:56:55,790 --> 01:56:53,940
beginning to end with Debbie Cobble it

2736
01:56:57,169 --> 01:56:55,800
was amazing thank you Debbie paid the

2737
01:56:59,629 --> 01:56:57,179
black kids produced by Hilton J Palm

2738
01:57:02,570 --> 01:56:59,639
Renee Dennis and Kevin webmaster is Drew

2739
01:57:04,149 --> 01:57:02,580
the geek music Doug Aldridge intro space

2740
01:57:08,810 --> 01:57:04,159
boy

2741
01:57:11,390 --> 01:57:08,820
produced by kjcr for the game changer

2742
01:57:12,970 --> 01:57:11,400
Network and this broadcast is owned and

2743
01:57:15,530 --> 01:57:12,980
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2744
01:57:17,990 --> 01:57:15,540
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2745
01:57:19,729 --> 01:57:18,000
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2746
01:57:21,169 --> 01:57:19,739
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01:57:23,149 --> 01:57:21,179
used anywhere in the known universe

2748
01:57:24,589 --> 01:57:23,159
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2749
01:57:26,990 --> 01:57:24,599
Black in the game changer Network I'm

2750
01:57:29,629 --> 01:57:27,000
your Tippy church until tomorrow night

2751
01:57:32,030 --> 01:57:29,639
with Sarah breskman cosme I want

2752
01:57:36,770 --> 01:57:32,040
everybody to be safe